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Old 12-02-2008, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678 View Post
The problem with the idea that people can keep thier seats is that management is going to move airplanes around. There is no such thing as no bump no flush when fleets start to move around the system. I think we need fences long enough to keep everyone on thier respective fleet until the aircraft movement among bases is complete.
Here's something that hit me today while I was running. Instead of straight fences, what about a one for one exchange between seats/aircraft. Meaning that if a NWA guy was able to bid/hold 777CA/FO, then there would have to be a DAL guy capable of bidding/holding 74CA/FO, Same for the A330/76-4. If one guy on each side could not hold it then the other guy cannot move over. Have this for like 5-10 years then it goes away. Eventually we need to be one pilot group. Just a thought. Hopefully the fleet is moved around prior to SOC.
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Old 12-03-2008, 01:44 PM
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On the NW widebody side, if they move fleets around prior to SOC, there will be an internal bump and flush due to the C&R from the previous merger award. SEA and DTW have a large number of former Red Book Captains on the widebody. Moving those aircraft out to say, ATL, would have the effect of displacing all the Red Book guys off the airplane and replacing them with former Green Book guys that are senior to them but were previously fenced.
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King View Post
On the NW widebody side, if they move fleets around prior to SOC, there will be an internal bump and flush due to the C&R from the previous merger award. SEA and DTW have a large number of former Red Book Captains on the widebody. Moving those aircraft out to say, ATL, would have the effect of displacing all the Red Book guys off the airplane and replacing them with former Green Book guys that are senior to them but were previously fenced.
Before or after SOC won't matter much. Many of those Red Book guys who are "out of seniority" are going to get bumped when the flying shifts.
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:14 PM
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Unless we get something nice from the company for a "pick up and drop" clause (like when they moved the -400 from NYC to DTW without a rebid). What do we want? Hummmmmmmm?
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:16 PM
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I bet it gets rebid.
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:17 PM
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$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:21 PM
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I agree with that Fred.
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149 View Post
Unless we get something nice from the company for a "pick up and drop" clause
Management has already accumulated a growing list of little "problems" that are going to need cooperation from ALPA to fix. There will be LOAs.
Ferd is spot on -- $$$.

Say it. Show me the money. Louder. Show me the money.

No, louder Jerry!

Show me the money !!

Unfortunately, DALPA's reply to mgmt overtures tends toward, "You had me at hello".

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Old 12-03-2008, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
Unfortunately, DALPA's reply to mgmt overtures tends toward, "You had me at hello".
Now that's funny!

Just remember though, you're getting about 5,000 cobras added to this "love affair." Anderson's going to have to hope he develops an immunity to cobra venom.

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Old 12-03-2008, 05:33 PM
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He does not heed to. He will just stick someone else in front of the snakes. Call it a sacrificial Lamb if you will.
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