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Old 12-15-2008, 02:58 PM   #151  
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Opus,

My guess would be that the retirements were already taken into account thru 1Nov. If not, I can see a definate advantage to the pre-merger Delta side and I'm sure your merger committee would have raised the BS flag on that. I'd lay strong odds that the lists were updated or it would not have been fair. If the arbitrators could not get a Nov 1 list from your committee, then to be fair, they should have used both July seniority lists for the integration.

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My guess would be that the retirements were already taken into account thru 1Nov. If not, I can see a definate advantage to the pre-merger Delta side and I'm sure your merger committee would have raised the BS flag on that. I'd lay strong odds that the lists were updated or it would not have been fair. If the arbitrators could not get a Nov 1 list from your committee, then to be fair, they should have used both July seniority lists for the integration.

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Denny,

I pulled this from the Arbitrators Decision Document.

We have chosen, instead, to recognize the fleets as divided
simply into wide-body and narrow-body groupings, two for Captains, two for FOs.
12 For
purposes of counting aircraft and staffing assumptions,
13 thus creating ratios in each
category, we have selected a “snapshot” date of July 1, 2008.

I thought that meant that they used a list from each side based on that date. If that were correct, wouldn't that mean that pilots who retired AFTER July 1, 2008 are on the combined list?

I'm still trying to digest it all, and what's worse is I may not even be talking about what you guys are. I just thought I'd point it out.

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I'm curious what seniority list you base the 300-350 numbers on. My understanding is the arbitrators used 1 Nov 08 seniority lists from both sides and integrated those numbers which would account for all retirements prior to 1 Nov. Do you think that 300-350 have retired since then? I'm just trying to get a handle on what to expect.

On the Delta side, we get an updated seniority list every month posted on the Delta net with in the first few days. Anybody have any idea when this will be the combined list? Thanks,

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My number for the list did not reflect the 200 perp retirements that happened. Maybe not all of them are gone yet. My merger number used was my same bid number that I got in Jul 08. So really around 250 guys have left since then. I don't think that the list reflects those guys gone. I would lke to know for sure. I think tht we lost positions to guys that were already retired.

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Johnso29,

I just went back and found this footnote (16) under the arbitrators decision:

16 While we adopt the July date for purposes of Fleet count, we utilize the Seniority Lists of November 1,
2008, as representing the current pilot population.

That is copied and pasted from the award. This is why I was questioning whether the retirements had already been removed from the pre-merger NW list.

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Heyas,

The fleet/staffing was taken from July 2008.

The July 2008 NWA SSL was used, minus the pilots who had retired before November. Thus your system seniority number will be the same, since the numbers were not updated, but if you go through the list, you will find the retired guys gone.

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Thanks Nu! That would make sense. The retirees needed to be accounted for prior to list integration and that would do it.

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I just went back and found this footnote (16) under the arbitrators decision:

16 While we adopt the July date for purposes of Fleet count, we utilize the Seniority Lists of November 1,
2008, as representing the current pilot population.

That is copied and pasted from the award. This is why I was questioning whether the retirements had already been removed from the pre-merger NW list.

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Good thing we have a top notch lawyer to decipher it all for us. I don't always understand all this stuff.
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That's a top-notch lawyer with mad cow!!! Which means I can find it but not remember it or where I found it!!!!

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