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Old 12-08-2008, 08:07 PM
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:08 PM
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This was about what I expected. A relative seniority /7:5 type ratio. I had hoped for a little bit of a % bump for retirements, but we did not get it. I lost about 18 months from a date of hire award but gained about 600 from the original DAL propasol.

It is now time to move on and work togather.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:10 PM
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Sadly your same % at NWA would have gotton you a DC9 instead of the 767ER you now enjoy. Whoever calls this a win for DAL does not does not understand what DAL brought to the table. The NW guy infront of me enjoys reserve on the 757 at NW and now will be a line holder on 767-400 with me.

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Old 12-08-2008, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by caddis View Post
This was about what I expected. A relative seniority /7:5 type ratio. I had hoped for a little bit of a % bump for retirements, but we did not get it. I lost about 18 months from a date of hire award but gained about 600 from the original DAL propasol.

It is now time to move on and work togather.
I think we did get a little bump for retirements. I think there is some pain all around. Look to the middle of the list where we have some NWA '95 hires mixed in with their '88 hires.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:22 PM
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PULL and PLUG aka Dynamic Seniority List.

Has anyone figured out whether this was only done for the ISSL or is it a permanent process as pilots of each pre-merger group retire?
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by daldude View Post
Sadly your same % at NWA would have gotton you a DC9 instead of the 767ER you now enjoy. Whoever calls this a win for DAL does not does not understand what DAL brought to the table. The NW guy infront of me enjoys reserve on the 757 at NW and now will be a line holder on 767-400 with me.

Go figure

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First off if we meet first beers on me. You are right the snapshot today gives him some benefit, (if he wants to go to NY). However in my example I would be retired at about number 30 had NWA stood alone and beena WB A for the last 10 to 15 years. I would gues I will probably still hold a WB A position but only for about half that time.

In the long run if we all are a little ****ed off the arbitrators must have done a good job.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:25 PM
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I think we did get a little bump for retirements. I think there is some pain all around. Look to the middle of the list where we have some NWA '95 hires mixed in with their '88 hires.
Exactly. The top and middle guys at Delta won't like this as much as the bottom guys at Delta. I'm a Delta guy and I'm glad to see we got the DC-9 FO group in with the rest of us.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King View Post
PULL and PLUG.

Has anyone figured out whether this was only done for the ISSL or is it a permanent process as pilots of each pre-merger group retire?
It seems to be a one time process done during the construction of the list. Not a recurring thing. If I'm reading it right, we apparently got credit for 274 future retirements before they constructed the list.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King View Post
PULL and PLUG aka Dynamic Seniority List.

Has anyone figured out whether this was only done for the ISSL or is it a permanent process as pilots of each pre-merger group retire?

It's not anywhere near dynamic. They pulled out the 274 oldest NWA guys, ratioed who was left, then plugged those 274 old geezers back into the list one number senior to the NWA guy who was junior to them on the NWA list. That is a one time deal and now the list is what it is until we merge with Alaska. When numero uno retires, everyone moves up one number just like it has always been.
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:30 PM
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Freekin ALPA site is down...grrr. Someone call Herdon and wake those dudes up.

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