Justdoinmyjob

I read it as a one time process

slowplay

It was only done for the ISSL. The 274 oldest former NWA pilots were pulled out of the list, and then the staffing ratios based on the July 2008 fleets were run. Those 274 pilots were then reinserted back into the list one number ahead of the guy they were senior to on the standalone list.

There is no dynamic component. The list is a 4 category and status ratio list with a minimal "premium" fence. All NWA pilots junior to any of the 274 pulled and plugged got an immediate relative seniority windfall that will wash out over time as those 274 pilots actually retire.

I'm not real happy with the fence nor the replacement aircraft language, but all in all it looks like a fair and equitable list. DAL pilots preserve their relative seniority, NWA got some credit for future attrition and immediate SOC access to a larger, higher paying fleet for the 757 drivers and below.

Now it's time to go to work together!

daldude

Caddis,

I will gladly drink beers with you in the future and have no ill feelings against any NW pilot.

I guess ultimatly it saddens me to see DAL pilots that looked forward to continued hiring just to fill the cockpits for our planes being delivered in the next 6 months to now facing a very real possibility of furlough due due the 747-200 and DC9 aircraft.

Rockboy,

If you are in the bottom 500 DAL pilot your future is alot more at risk today than it was yesterday.

On a side note: I did get a clarification for DALPA today regarding the no furlough do to merger clause. It is their opinion that the company can come up with any number of reasons to furlough and it not be related to the merger.

I wish everybody the best.

PackTrip

There is some furlough protection - at least for a while:

9. From November 1, 2008, until the first bid period following issuance of
the SOC, any furloughs that are the result of the reduction in flying in the
pre-merger aircraft contained in each airline's pre-merger fleet shall be
borne by the pilots from that pre-merger airline regardless of their system
seniority; provided, however, that any furloughs resulting from such
reduction in B757 shall be shared on a 1:1 basis.

Nosmo King

Or they could just invoke Force Majeure...

DELTA DOG

I am within .25% of where I was pre-merger (got a slight bump up on the list). Its about what I was hoping for. No major gains on either side. Let's put it behind us and kick some SWA @$$!!!!!!

Nosmo King

I'd rather kick AMR's @ss then we could be number one to Asia, Europe and SA

Can anyone tell me, approximately, the senior and junior widebody (767ER) captain seniority in JFK and ATL?

Old number or new it doesn't matter as long as you specify which it is...

Signed,

Lost 1%

daldude

Of course "Force Majeure" is an option been there done that.

9. From November 1, 2008, until the first bid period following issuance of
the SOC, any furloughs that are the result of the reduction in flying in the
pre-merger aircraft contained in each airline's pre-merger fleet shall be
borne by the pilots from that pre-merger airline regardless of their system
seniority; provided, however, that any furloughs resulting from such
reduction in B757 shall be shared on a 1:1 basis.

I would agree that will protect DAL pilot until SOC

However the arbitrators were concerned about down the road based on this statement.

The ratio-based approach creates a generally smoother distribution of pilots throughout much of the list, but it exposes large blocks of Northwest Pilots to furlough vulnerability by populating them at the bottom of the list. Thus, the interests of fairness and equity cannot be served if we accepted that proposal without modifications that reflect the realities of this particular case.

They intentionally picked the catagories to protect the bottom NW pilots due to the DC9.

With that said they could pull a American deal and get rid of 2500 of us. That would be fun.

Once again good luck to all

Kingbird87

My seniority, pre-merger group, took about the biggest hit as a group (april 87) hire. The big downer is that my potential to retire on the 330 is iffy. The upside is that I think we may actually be part of something dynamic and positive. I love flying the 320, and god willing, and RA keeping his word, I may be a very happy senior Airbus Captain the rest of my career in Memphis. There are few bases, none as far as I know, that approach the old school friendliness and charm of MEM. And to you old DAL types, you will love the 320/319 and be very welcome in bidding into this bastion of Old Southern Charm. Water under the bridge. Time to move forward!

Nosmo King

Just remember when it says Retard, Retard, Retard in a French accent, the first two words are verbs and the last is a noun.