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Old 12-09-2008, 09:52 AM   #11  
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Its over - split decision, and probably the best we could have hoped for. Look at us then look at USAIR - we should all be very, very, very happy!

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Hear hear! No one is ecstatic, everyone is grumbling a bit, and very few are livid. This award was about as even-keeled as it gets. I doubt many of us are any more negatively impacted by this award than if we had stayed as standalone carriers, and that option might have been a worse scenario.

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Agree with all of the above, except for the original post. NW didn't win, neither did DL. There is no possible way to please everyone on both sides, but I feel this agreement is just about as close as one could ever hope for.

Not to pile on the group hug bandwagon too much, but I really look forward to working with all Delta pilots (12,000+) to make this the best airline in the world. I have almost 25 years left, and hope to see Delta on top for them all.
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The net difference in retirements over the next 10 years between Delta and NWA is less then 300 pilots. It may in fact be the 274 number the arbitrators picked. Its not as huge as often posted here.

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The number may not be that different but what is the percentage. You have to take into account that delta was around 40% larger than nwa. If memory serves people were saying 50% vs. 33%.
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The number may not be that different but what is the percentage. You have to take into account that delta was around 40% larger than nwa. If memory serves people were saying 50% vs. 33%.
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I doubt many of us are any more negatively impacted by this award than if we had stayed as standalone carriers, and that option might have been a worse scenario.
I would not go that far. NWA would have been fine as a stand alone and with 50% of our list going away within the next 5-10 years, many of us would have been a lot better off as a stand alone.

That being said, most people are living with the list and grumbling a little but plan to get over it. So far here in Narita, beer has been the answer.

Fortunately, I don't see this list being something we have to hear about on the flight deck for the next 20 years.
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:27 PM   #16  
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I would not go that far. NWA would have been fine as a stand alone and with 50% of our list going away within the next 5-10 years, many of us would have been a lot better off as a stand alone.

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As a pilot who has been flying for the 'old' NWA for 21 years I dissagree with capncrunch opinion. NWA was a midwest carrier with an orient domination. Dominated hub-hub ops with 3 flights a day to our hubs We would not have survived the next 5-10 years. We would have been involved with a merger, and probably with American. Ask TWA/ Reno/ Air Cal/ Carribean pilots how that turned out...staple..staple...staple.....
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As a pilot who has been flying for the 'old' NWA for 21 years I dissagree with capncrunch opinion. NWA was a midwest carrier with an orient domination. Dominated hub-hub ops with 3 flights a day to our hubs We would not have survived the next 5-10 years. We would have been involved with a merger, and probably with American. Ask TWA/ Reno/ Air Cal/ Carribean pilots how that turned out...staple..staple...staple.....
Air Cal was ratio'd in and has actually worked out very favorably for CalCans, Trans Carib was also ratio'd in. Reno and TWA were the more or less stapled, which by the way was date of hire for Reno, the company was so new and 80% of Reno's pilots had active applications on file at AMR(an active employment app is a signed statement that you would love to go to the bottom of a carriers seniority list). The Reno Capt's were protected in seat(I forget for how long) . TWA was entering Chapt 7, which is what enabled their shafting.
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Air Cal was ratio'd in and has actually worked out very favorably for CalCans, Trans Carib was also ratio'd in. Reno and TWA were the more or less stapled, which by the way was date of hire for Reno, the company was so new and 80% of Reno's pilots had active applications on file at AMR(an active employment app is a signed statement that you would love to go to the bottom of a carriers seniority list). The Reno Capt's were protected in seat(I forget for how long) . TWA was entering Chapt 7, which is what enabled their shafting.
All you said is correct - plus, the Reno guys got raises such that even with the staple job they made more than they were making at Reno. It was a win-win for them. Without that staple job, they would have been little more than another footnote in aviation history of a failed startup.
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Hi.

DAL Won:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...al-won-12.html

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The title of this thread is as stupid as the one that says Delta won.

Can we PLEASE kill this thread???

Thank you,

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