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Old 12-09-2008, 08:13 AM   #1  
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Despite the arbitrator's description, this isn't really a status and category list.
DC9 drivers can now fly 767s. In much better bases.
The list is far closer to "relative seniority" than true status and category.
Its a huge win for NWA.
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Despite the arbitrator's description, this isn't really a status and category list.
DC9 drivers can now fly 767s. In much better bases.
The list is far closer to "relative seniority" than true status and category.
Its a huge win for NWA.
And Delta gets all the benefits of our massive near term retirements. 55% of our pilots retire, assuming age 65, in 12-13 years. Both sides got some and lost others.
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Old 12-09-2008, 08:49 AM   #3  
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Guys, guys, guys.....

It's done. Let's move on together and help this company makes Billions of $$, so we can get back some of what we've given up the past few years.

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Guys, guys, guys.....

It's done. Let's move on together and help this company makes Billions of $$, so we can get back some of what we've given up the past few years.

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Old 12-09-2008, 09:34 AM   #5  
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And Delta gets all the benefits of our massive near term retirements. 55% of our pilots retire, assuming age 65, in 12-13 years. Both sides got some and lost others.
Gee, in ONLY 12 to 13 years? Some of us may not be around long enough to recover the seat we are now in after eating the retirements of the NWA cargo whales to take advantage of those retirements. The only thing that will be retiring in massive quantities will be freighters.
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Gee, in ONLY 12 to 13 years? Some of us may not be around long enough to recover the seat we are now in after eating the retirements of the NWA cargo whales to take advantage of those retirements. The only thing that will be retiring in massive quantities will be freighters.
Gee only 20-25+ years until the DAL retirements really kick in
Some of us are young enough to enjoy ALL of the retirements. I have 33-38 years left of this so 10-13 wasnt an issue for me and only solidified my career expectations under the NWA standalone plan. But that is gone and we all have to live with the outcome of the merger. The positive aspect is by the time the nwa retirements taper off the dal sides kick in therefore the WHOLE list will enjoy 25+ years of solid attrition just based on retirements.

The NWA whales are under contract by the military for guaranteed profits for the next couple years on top of the regular ops and charter ops.

Bottom line is the list is done, what happens from here on out is out of our hands.

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Gee, in ONLY 12 to 13 years? Some of us may not be around long enough to recover the seat we are now in after eating the retirements of the NWA cargo whales to take advantage of those retirements. The only thing that will be retiring in massive quantities will be freighters.
13 airplanes out of, what, 700? That's hardly a big hit even if they have three pilots each.

Not to mention they're holding down slots at NRT that would otherwise would have never been had.

It all evens out.
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It's done. Let's move on together and help this company makes Billions of $$, so we can get back some of what we've given up the past few years.

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YES! Best quote in this thread.
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The net difference in retirements over the next 10 years between Delta and NWA is less then 300 pilots. It may in fact be the 274 number the arbitrators picked. Its not as huge as often posted here.

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Its over - split decision, and probably the best we could have hoped for. Look at us then look at USAIR - we should all be very, very, very happy!

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