Cogf16

I'm an Aug '88 DAL 767Capt.
- Premerge 22.18% Postmerge 21.79% #2710 on the list, ie a slight gain.

NWA guy just above me Jul '85 757Capt.
- Premerge 22.69% Postmerge 21.79% #2708 on the list, ie a slight gain.

The enlightening thing is this.

The proposed list from respective MEC's from the hearings.

- DAL proposal- my #2640. very close, only 70 difference
-NWA proposal- my #3684. not close, a difference of almost a thousand!

I think I got fortunate. I have heard of other guys (pre DAL and NWA) who lost a couple percent. As it always is in this profession, timing is everything!

Cog

Tomcat

Jul 2000 DAL - Premerger 81.35%
Postmerger 80.44%

skysdlimit

I'm a 1991 hire and 75/76 senior F/O.

Prior to the new ISL I was roughly 49% and am now roughly 51% surrounded by NWA 1995 hires. Damn we should have gone date of hire!!

newKnow

I am one of those NWA '95 hires who can say I did, "ok." For some reason '94-'95 hires here got more of a retirement bump than the others. With those who were hired at the beginning of '95 doing better than they would have done if the arbitrator had gone DOH.

That being said, I think the rest of our list got the shaft. Especially our '98-'01 hires. It seems that they did not get the same projected retirement "bump." I know part of it is because of where the 274 "pulled out" retirements came from on the list relative to them, but why did some of them lose relative seniority? ?

I know it's all about luck, but if I were hired 1 year earlier I would have been mixed in with DAL '91 hires and 51% of the list; a year later would have out me in with DAL late '97 hires and 35% of the list. A difference of almost 2000 numbers.

So, I know I'm lucky, I just want to know why? Mathematicians please step up.

Just wondering...


New K Now

Xray678

Nov 96 hire. 50.7% on the DAL list premerger, 52.8% on the joint list.

I don't have too much problem with the list itself, though I feel I got shorted by 200-300 numbers. I do think the arbitrators dropped the ball on the fences. 5 years for the premium stuff is fine, I think there should have been at least a 3 year fence on everything else.

That said, there is nothing we can do about it now. I plan on tipping back a few tonight, then tomorrow I will forget about it and move on. Hopefully management can provide a stable, growing company for all of us and we can enjoy the rest of our careers in relative peace and quiet.

320FOB

Well, just consider that you are approx 1800 #'s senior to your NWA counterpart that was hired Nov 96. That's 15% ahead of a guy with the same DOH. I'd say you did pretty well.

makoshark72

Where's the actual LIST?? Looked on the NWA MEC site and saw nothing but the letter from the MEC, no list.

Thanks.

Ferd149

Cog! My Man, where ya been boy?

Well, like NewK I did ok as a '95 hire. I guess it's because we are in a Delta "dead zone" IE when you guys didn't hire for several years. I went from 43% on the NWA list to 46% on the ISL. Compared to the NWA DOH proposal I lost 85 numbers but compared to the Delta proposal I gained 824. So, guess I'm ok except I'm still physically older to the '97 Delta guy above me. I guess we'll see how the deomgraphics will work out, like we have argued about since April.

As I said in another post, I can live with this and move on. Mergers are never good for anyone but here we are. It is what it is.........now where is that D@mn hat?

Ferd

Xray678

you still don't get it. DOH has nothing to do with how they merge lists. What did you bring to the table, that's all that matters. My counterpart hired at NWA in Nov 96 cannot hold the same equipment I can hold.

That said, the more I think about this list, I think it is pretty fair. Where I think the arbitrators dropped the ball is with the fences. They did the pull and plug because a stand alone NWA would have experienced more retirements.....in effect moving the NWA pilots relative position up. But while those retirements would happened over a few years, the lack of fences means they can exercise that seniority now.

But I will accept this and move on. I just hope the airline grows so no one on either side gets bumped from their seat. I expect if displacements start to happen is when we will see some ****ed off people.

Cogf16

At home, on vacation, on APC or DALPA site, or at recurrent training! Have not turned a wheel in 5 weeks. That made recurrent a little sporting!

I did well on the list but there are segments of Delta guys, (91 and 96-97 hires) who lost 2-3% relative and actually did worse than DOH! Not sure how it happened but the disparity between some Delta guys loss/gain is significant. I think the real heartache though could be possible furloughs and the shuffling of a/c at SOC. I hope the language is tight concerning displacements and bump/flush because lots of that may be coming. Oh, and the whole 787 cnx scenario is looming... Hope we don't have to continue to pay Bloch and the boys...

Cog