Denny Crane

Bid period 1 will, in Delta speak, be "4 to 6 weeks!!"

Denny

Carl Spackler

That's funny.

What we've actually been hearing is around the SOC at the end of 2009.

Carl

newKnow

OOOOAaaahhhh. See, I told ya.

OK. Here's another one:

So, if you are senior, let's say the #1 pilot on a piece of equipment, you can bid a reserve line, right? I guess I asking if reserve and blockholder pilots in the same base have the samd bidding power?

Ok, it's confusing. Let me try another way.

I'm #1 on the 777, but I bid reserve. A trip comes up in open time and I bid it and a full blockholder wants it as well, but of course, he's junior to me. Who gets it?

sailingfun

There is a long order of trip coverage. If this is a simple straight pickup for the blockholder he gets the trip. If it were a greenslip or overtime trip the senior pilot would get the trip. In general however when a senior pilot bids reserve its knowing he wont work. They rarely ask for trips. The exception would be rolling thunder and then he would be asking for overtime trips.

sailingfun

Trip coverage, partial list of the first steps.

1. Pilots subject to recovery flying under Section 23 K. 1.
2. Regular pilots who have submitted white slips (in category, in seniority order)
Note: White slips for same-day open time will be awarded by proffer.
Exception: A local council officer who drops a rotation to conduct a monthly council
meeting will be given first priority to white slip open time during that bid period in order
to recover such dropped rotations. (see Section 24 J. 8.)
3. Long call reserve pilots (in category, within RUO)
4. Short call reserve pilots (in category, within RUO)
5. Reserve pilots who are on an X-day or long call reserve pilots for whom the award would
interrupt their X-day(s) and who have submitted a yellow slip (in category, within RUO)
6. Out-of-base regular pilots who have submitted white slips (in seniority order)
Note: White slips for same-day open time will be awarded by proffer.
7. Out-of-base long call reserve pilots (by base, within RUO)
8. Out-of-base short call reserve pilots (by base, within RUO)
9. Long call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their regular line
day(s)-off (in category, within least intrusion groupings, by RAW value)
10. Short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their regular line
day(s)-off (in category, within least intrusion groupings, by RAW value)
11. Out-of-base long call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their
regular line day(s)-off (by base, within least intrusion groupings, by RAW value)
12. Out-of-base short call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would extend into their
regular line day(s)-off (by base, within least intrusion groupings, by RAW value)
13. Long call reserve pilots for whom the assignment would create a conflict with their
regular line rotation(s) (in category, within least disruption groupings, by RAW value)

alfaromeo

It depends. If the line holder requests straight pay (called a White Slip) then he gets the trip. If you are both requesting overtime (called a Green Slip), then you get it.

PackTrip

That's right...

In other words, when you are on reserve, you can't pick up trips in open time unless the company decides you get the trip based on your RAW value (a formula Delta uses to keep reserve pilots about even in the amount of time they have flown...you can put in a "low yellow" to change your RAW value to give yourself a better chance of flying. You can also put in reserve trip preferences, but it is still scheduling's call whether you fly or not.

ANY line holder who puts in a white slip gets it before you do...even if you are senior...unless you both have in a green slip...(overtime request at double pay) then you get it since you are senior...like Alfaromeo said.

My opinion is that reserve pretty much sucks unless we are understaffed and you can get a lot of greenslips.

acl65pilot

Oh I love reserve when we are over staffed. I flew two legs on reserve in Sept. (One two day trip!)

Superpilot92

Wait a minute!! You know its not possible for DAL to be overstaffed Only the NWA side can be overstaffed j/k

Not2fast

How does DAL bid for aircraft position? Can we leave a preference in the computer for a base change and expect it whenever we can hold it, or do you have to wait for the company to open up a "vacancy bid" like a UPS kind of deal?

BTW. great idea for a thread. I haven't seen much worth while on here in the last few months, but maybe the tide is changing.