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Old 12-12-2008, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Not2fast View Post
How does DAL bid for aircraft position? Can we leave a preference in the computer for a base change and expect it whenever we can hold it, or do you have to wait for the company to open up a "vacancy bid" like a UPS kind of deal?

BTW. great idea for a thread. I haven't seen much worth while on here in the last few months, but maybe the tide is changing.
We usually have about 4 advance entitlements (AE) or vacancy bids a year. You usually have 10 days from the time the AE comes out until it closes. The company will put out what positions are to be filled/surplused (displaced) and then we find out whether or not they back filled the positions vacated as the published positions were filled. Obviously there's much more movement if all categories are correctly staffed and all positions filled as people move up. IE. Bill the 767 Capt and is awarded 777, Ted gets Bill's 767 Capt slot, and down the line.

The are three preferences you keep current in the computer or update when the AE comes out. Advance entitlement (what you want), voluntary displacement (what you'll take if someone junior to you in your category is going to be displaced), and mandatory displacement (what you want if your position disappears). The displacements come with a company move, I believe.?
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50 View Post
The are three preferences you keep current in the computer or update when the AE comes out. Advance entitlement (what you want), voluntary displacement (what you'll take if someone junior to you in your category is going to be displaced), and mandatory displacement (what you want if your position disappears). The displacements come with a company move, I believe.?
We have the same system, but it's all on one card and it just stays in the computer and you can change it any time. But, it's that way because we have an AE once every month. Some are big, some are small. Some have lots of advancements, some have lots of displacements.

This is one of those "best practices" items for another thread, but I wonder if our AE program will be looked at in in the future by the company.

Anyway, tell me more about the company paid move if you could. How close do you have to get to the base? How long is it good for, ie is it a use or lose after a certain time?

Great thread!!

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:46 PM
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Ferd,

I haven't seen the JCBA on this but our last contract says you have to move to within 125 miles of base and establish your permanant residence. If your current residence is already within that distance, no go. Your new residence also has to be 50 statute miles closer to base than your former residence. If you move under these terms (and a couple of others, these are the major ones) you are committed to staying there (at the base) for at least 24 months or you have to reimbuse moving expenses. The move is good for 24 months from date of conversion to new category.

To the best of my knowledge the above is correct. There are, of course, many little caveats but these are the major points.

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:56 PM
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Denny,

Thanks! Not too bad a deal and the 24 month commitment is reasonable for sure. I think we're going to sit tight in DFW for a year to see the smoke clear a bit on what to do. My wife loves MSP, but she has only seen it during the summer.

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Ferd,

I tried to PM you. Hope it came thru.

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Originally Posted by PackTrip View Post
That's right...

In other words, when you are on reserve, you can't pick up trips in open time unless the company decides you get the trip based on your RAW value (a formula Delta uses to keep reserve pilots about even in the amount of time they have flown...you can put in a "low yellow" to change your RAW value to give yourself a better chance of flying. You can also put in reserve trip preferences, but it is still scheduling's call whether you fly or not.

ANY line holder who puts in a white slip gets it before you do...even if you are senior...unless you both have in a green slip...(overtime request at double pay) then you get it since you are senior...like Alfaromeo said.

My opinion is that reserve pretty much sucks unless we are understaffed and you can get a lot of greenslips.
Wow!! Are you guys kidding me? I am sure they take a whole day out of indoc to explain this stuff to you. Did they have a manual to go along with the presentation?

If anyone would listen to me, I would suggest that sometime starting in the near future they send us the CD of a presentation to explain all the green, yellow, white, bid period 1-5, SOC, DCC, & A,B,C,D-Z's.

I know if I don't get a head start, I'll wind up in Minot for 8 weeks straight. No big words either. You know us DC-9 guys are kind of slow.

Thanks for responding.

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NewK,

Basically, if you are on reserve, there is no seniority. If your RAW score is the lowest within days of availability, then you will more than likely get the trip.

A whiteslip is used by a regular line pilot to pick up time at straight pay. If you are short for the month, this is the best way to pick up a trip from open time.

A yellowslip is used by a reserve pilot to indicate that he/she wants to fly. Essentially it lowers your RAW score by 15 points. If your RAW score is more than 15 points above the next guy in your days of availability, he will still more than likely get the trip. (This is what I meant by "no seniorty")

A greenslip is used by both regular and reserve to indicate you are willing to do overtime flying for double pay.

I'm tired of typing and it's way past my bedtime!! But first I need to sit on my deck and have cigar and glass of scotch..........even though it is 35 degrees out!!!

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
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Basically, if you are on reserve, there is no seniority. If your RAW score is the lowest within days of availability, then you will more than likely get the trip.

A whiteslip is used by a regular line pilot to pick up time at straight pay. If you are short for the month, this is the best way to pick up a trip from open time.

A yellowslip is used by a reserve pilot to indicate that he/she wants to fly. Essentially it lowers your RAW score by 15 points. If your RAW score is more than 15 points above the next guy in your days of availability, he will still more than likely get the trip. (This is what I meant by "no seniorty")

A greenslip is used by both regular and reserve to indicate you are willing to do overtime flying for double pay.

I'm tired of typing and it's way past my bedtime!! But first I need to sit on my deck and have cigar and glass of scotch..........even though it is 35 degrees out!!!

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Thanks Denny,

You are making me want go pour a bit of conac and do the same thing. Are you serious about the raw score thing? Once again, wow. So, tell me, if a reserve pilot can get his raw score up above 30 do you think he can get into a good med school?

Our system was easier, which is that we were pretty much at the mercy of the scheduler. Not really, but close.
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Naw he couldn't get into med school but law school is a shoo-in!!

Unfortunately I am serious about the raw thing!! And that's what it is raw!! It came into being so that open time could be more evenly divided throughout the month between reserve line holders.

Under the old system a senior reserve guy could request to fly and could fill up for the month in the first half or so. If the more junior reserve guy had days off scheduled in the second half of the month, the company was now short. This allows them to more evenly assign trips thru the month to reserve guys. Seniority is there but only under certain conditions.

The company's wet dream is to fly all reserve guy to 69:59 (70 hr guarantee) and then have the month end.

What's really a pain in the arse is that international category reserve guys get to sit 24 hr short call while domestic guy sit 12 hr. You both get 1 day credit towards your 6 day maximum short calls per month!

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Naw he couldn't get into med school but law school is a shoo-in!!

Unfortunately I am serious about the raw thing!! And that's what it is raw!! It came into being so that open time could be more evenly divided throughout the month between reserve line holders.

Under the old system a senior reserve guy could request to fly and could fill up for the month in the first half or so. If the more junior reserve guy had days off scheduled in the second half of the month, the company was now short. This allows them to more evenly assign trips thru the month to reserve guys. Seniority is there but only under certain conditions.

The company's wet dream is to fly all reserve guy to 69:59 (70 hr guarantee) and then have the month end.

What's really a pain in the arse is that international category reserve guys get to sit 24 hr short call while domestic guy sit 12 hr. You both get 1 day credit towards your 6 day maximum short calls per month!

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Wait. Are you saying your short call is 12 hours?

Ok. I have put the cognac down and am re-reading. Let me rephrase, because I can't believe it. What is your short call?

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