NWA/DAL Information Exchange...
12-11-2008, 03:17 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Have at it. I will take your 320 flying any day. I will do Europe and Asia when the kids are in High School and just come to ya for money!
You WANT to fly the French thing, after flying the wonderful Boeing?
What's your source say about where the 320's will be in 3 years?
12-11-2008, 03:23 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by daldude
I think it is safe to say that most of the younger DAL guys are looking at moving down from the 767/757, 737-800, or MD88/90 to DC 9 or 320/319. Or moving form ATL, SLC to DTW, MSP. So given that fact I would not think there would be much interest in the NW equiptment until it is time to be displaced to it. Go figure.
Not to mention the chance of being furloughed if they get rid of the DC9 and 747-200 after SOC which I think is very possible by the company just so they don't have to furlough out of seniority order.
Most of the Jr DAL guys had looked forward to having a fair amount of new hires coming on after them to fill our upcoming deliveries but now they have 70 lower paying soon to be retired jets and the crews to go with them that mostly came in above them on the seniority list. I would say the majority of the old DAL contingent is fairly depressed about their future upgrades and will see stagnation or backwards movement as the new DAL (NW) guys move into bigger better paying airplanes and some of our bases. Yes, I realize NW brought the 74 and 330 but for the most part the vast opportunities for NW guys to bid the 76/75 and 800 is a + for NW and a - for DAL. Not to mention still having your DB +our 401K. Things look pretty dim on the DAL side right now.
I predict 1000 furloughs after SOC, DC9 and 747-200 gone and no growth for next 4.5 years. I would expect the furloughed guys to come back as the retirements start up again in 2011 which happens to be about the same time they expect to start adding capacity back according to RA at the investors meeting. I hope I am wrong.
But hey that is just my opinion and it is not worth much.
Not to mention the chance of being furloughed if they get rid of the DC9 and 747-200 after SOC which I think is very possible by the company just so they don't have to furlough out of seniority order.
Most of the Jr DAL guys had looked forward to having a fair amount of new hires coming on after them to fill our upcoming deliveries but now they have 70 lower paying soon to be retired jets and the crews to go with them that mostly came in above them on the seniority list. I would say the majority of the old DAL contingent is fairly depressed about their future upgrades and will see stagnation or backwards movement as the new DAL (NW) guys move into bigger better paying airplanes and some of our bases. Yes, I realize NW brought the 74 and 330 but for the most part the vast opportunities for NW guys to bid the 76/75 and 800 is a + for NW and a - for DAL. Not to mention still having your DB +our 401K. Things look pretty dim on the DAL side right now.
I predict 1000 furloughs after SOC, DC9 and 747-200 gone and no growth for next 4.5 years. I would expect the furloughed guys to come back as the retirements start up again in 2011 which happens to be about the same time they expect to start adding capacity back according to RA at the investors meeting. I hope I am wrong.
But hey that is just my opinion and it is not worth much.
12-11-2008, 03:35 PM
#24
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Not in MSP or DTW. Err SLC, CVG....
If I go to MSP it will be on the ER or the 88.
But you know I will fly the French plastic jet, just to say I did it. I will go where I can hold a commutable line. If I cannot stay in ATL, I will at least go somewhere that I enjoy.
If I go to MSP it will be on the ER or the 88.
But you know I will fly the French plastic jet, just to say I did it. I will go where I can hold a commutable line. If I cannot stay in ATL, I will at least go somewhere that I enjoy.
12-11-2008, 04:14 PM
#25
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MEM trips ARE mostly 4 or 5 days, some 1,2,3 and you almost never see MEM again till the end. The exception is usually Cancun, Montego Bay, and a few Florida destinations that come back thru. I think they are afraid we'll get off if we come back home. We really hit cleanup in the batting order. We fly a good amount of West Coast, East Coast, but tend to get a lot of Northern Tier when it is January thru March. I bid for two legs a day max, no short overnights and days off. The NBA charters are plentiful and I like them, just flew one leg SAT-MIA today, had a nice brisket, beans, macaroni, and cookies on the way, now 31 hrs on Miami Beach. The big plus is the base, Wendy in Ops is a godsend, great chief pilot, friendly FA's and much less company exposure, actually none. I have always loved cities like Missoula, Bozeman, Kalispell, Calgary, Duluth in the summer, and once upon a time, Cayman. Anyone who derides the 320 hasn't flown it. It is a great jet, especially with the seats on the newer 320's and all 319's.
12-11-2008, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
Anyone who derides the 320 hasn't flown it. It is a great jet, especially with the seats on the newer 320's and all 319's.
I kid the 320 guys all the time. I'm sorry about talking about the 320. I'm sure it's a nice airplane to fly. I am probably just not smart enough to fly it. No, no really, it's me, not the airplane.
As far as seats go, you know you can't beat the DC-9. They are good for at least 2 sick calls a year for a bad back!!
New K Now
ACL,
Are you saying the 320's are coming out altogether out of DTW and MSP? I've heard 330's and -400's to go with the -88's and 737-800 in JFK. DC-9's and the -400 in ATL.
What's going to be in DTW? I heard the 767's were going there.
New K
Last edited by newKnow; 12-11-2008 at 04:45 PM.
12-11-2008, 04:53 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by daldude
I think it is safe to say that most of the younger DAL guys are looking at moving down from the 767/757, 737-800, or MD88/90 to DC 9 or 320/319. Or moving form ATL, SLC to DTW, MSP. So given that fact I would not think there would be much interest in the NW equiptment until it is time to be displaced to it. Go figure.
Not to mention the chance of being furloughed if they get rid of the DC9 and 747-200 after SOC which I think is very possible by the company just so they don't have to furlough out of seniority order.
Most of the Jr DAL guys had looked forward to having a fair amount of new hires coming on after them to fill our upcoming deliveries but now they have 70 lower paying soon to be retired jets and the crews to go with them that mostly came in above them on the seniority list. I would say the majority of the old DAL contingent is fairly depressed about their future upgrades and will see stagnation or backwards movement as the new DAL (NW) guys move into bigger better paying airplanes and some of our bases. Yes, I realize NW brought the 74 and 330 but for the most part the vast opportunities for NW guys to bid the 76/75 and 800 is a + for NW and a - for DAL. Not to mention still having your DB +our 401K. Things look pretty dim on the DAL side right now.
I predict 1000 furloughs after SOC, DC9 and 747-200 gone and no growth for next 4.5 years. I would expect the furloughed guys to come back as the retirements start up again in 2011 which happens to be about the same time they expect to start adding capacity back according to RA at the investors meeting. I hope I am wrong.
But hey that is just my opinion and it is not worth much.
Not to mention the chance of being furloughed if they get rid of the DC9 and 747-200 after SOC which I think is very possible by the company just so they don't have to furlough out of seniority order.
Most of the Jr DAL guys had looked forward to having a fair amount of new hires coming on after them to fill our upcoming deliveries but now they have 70 lower paying soon to be retired jets and the crews to go with them that mostly came in above them on the seniority list. I would say the majority of the old DAL contingent is fairly depressed about their future upgrades and will see stagnation or backwards movement as the new DAL (NW) guys move into bigger better paying airplanes and some of our bases. Yes, I realize NW brought the 74 and 330 but for the most part the vast opportunities for NW guys to bid the 76/75 and 800 is a + for NW and a - for DAL. Not to mention still having your DB +our 401K. Things look pretty dim on the DAL side right now.
I predict 1000 furloughs after SOC, DC9 and 747-200 gone and no growth for next 4.5 years. I would expect the furloughed guys to come back as the retirements start up again in 2011 which happens to be about the same time they expect to start adding capacity back according to RA at the investors meeting. I hope I am wrong.
But hey that is just my opinion and it is not worth much.
Why do you think it is only the 9 and the -200 they will park? I thought RA's statement about how the 9 is "Todays Treasure" was pretty interesting.
12-11-2008, 04:59 PM
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King,
You bus boy youze.........a jet that doesn't start down on it's own is just uncivilized! OH and the 757 cup holder takes both plastic and styro.
Just kidding of course, I wish we would get our busses back in Dallas. Two jumpseats and NEVER a weight limit no matter how hot it gets is a wonderful thang'. It looks like a great jet when I've sat up front.
Ferd <---------ex MEM bubba in my -9 days. Mem is still my favoriate base.
PS Tell Wendy her uncle fred sayz hey
You bus boy youze.........a jet that doesn't start down on it's own is just uncivilized! OH and the 757 cup holder takes both plastic and styro.
Just kidding of course, I wish we would get our busses back in Dallas. Two jumpseats and NEVER a weight limit no matter how hot it gets is a wonderful thang'. It looks like a great jet when I've sat up front.
Ferd <---------ex MEM bubba in my -9 days. Mem is still my favoriate base.
PS Tell Wendy her uncle fred sayz hey
Last edited by Ferd149; 12-11-2008 at 05:06 PM.
12-11-2008, 05:04 PM
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ACL,
Who have you heard who is going to fill the 757 south flying out of NRT? I assume a 767 from the west coast to NRT and then pick up the south flying for a few days/week then 767 home. Any idea what base yet? Gotta get Denny to the islands before the mad cow gets too bad.........
Ferd
Who have you heard who is going to fill the 757 south flying out of NRT? I assume a 767 from the west coast to NRT and then pick up the south flying for a few days/week then 767 home. Any idea what base yet? Gotta get Denny to the islands before the mad cow gets too bad.........
Ferd
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