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Old 12-15-2008, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 320FOB View Post
I assume you mean the 767? It pays the same as 757, which he could/can hold at NWA according to his % (his profile even shows he is a 75FO). So where is the "even bigger" raise, besides the one any 757 guy received with JPWA regardless of seniority?
I think what he's saying is that pre merger this guy couldn't hold widebody pay at NW, i.e 330 or better. (did NW 75 pay widebody rates, I don't remember). Now he can hold a true widebody, with the override, and there are alot more of them available now for a pre-merger NW guy. Thus better Q.O.L. etc, etc...
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Old 12-15-2008, 08:54 AM
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I think what he's saying is that pre merger this guy couldn't hold widebody pay at NW, i.e 330 or better. (did NW 75 pay widebody rates, I don't remember). Now he can hold a true widebody, with the override, and there are alot more of them available now for a pre-merger NW guy. Thus better Q.O.L. etc, etc...
No, I think you're missing my point. He could not hold 330 or better at NWA and he still can't hold a "DAL" 330. The only widebody he may be able to hold now at DAL is the 767. Yes, it is a widebody, but it pays the same as the 757 that he is holding at NWA. NW 757 FO's got about an 11% raise in the JPWA. He gets that whether or not he can now hold a "true widebody" seat since the 76 pays the same as the 75.



I was responding to the quote that he couldn't hold a widebody FO seat before and that , now that he can, it is an even bigger raise. I was basically saying "so what" and "it's not a raise"(beyond what he gets as a NWA 757 FO anyway in the JPWA). His narrowbody seat pays the same as the widebody seat that he can now theoretically hold at DAL. I can't dispute your comments about Intl. override and QOL on the DAL 767 vs. NW757, but the whole QOL thing is very subjective. Personally, I agree with you on the QOL...I.E. I would rather go to the places the DAL 76ER flys than where the NWA 757 flys, but that could be changing now and my "good layover" could be very different than someone else's.
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Old 12-15-2008, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch View Post
Exactly! If someone is going to do a comparison of retirements then the retirements should be looked at as a percentage of the stand alone group. Based on NWAs smaller size the retirement percentage is much more significant than what is being alluded to on this thread.

It does not really matter anymore anyway but I don't like to see what we gave up belittled.
I think you need to bring aircraft retirements and a shrinking fleet into that equation also. Let's not forget there was documented evidence in the arbitration that NWA was going to furlough. You can't get too myopic and only look at attrition. AAA had a lot of attrition too, but they also had a shrinking fleet. There are no replacement aircraft on order for the retiring DC-9 fleet and what about the inefficient 747-200 fleet.

I think when you consider all the equities brought into the merger, which includes attrition, fleet differentials, DAL growth, NWA contraction, pre merger pay differentials, you end up with the list we got. The NWA guys get to enjoy some super seniority today, DAL guys will catch up to where they should be in the next 3-5 years.

No use whining about it, it is what it is, we all loss something.

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