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alfaromeo 01-10-2009 07:53 AM

Unofficial Guide to Delta Reserve
 
Each month on reserve, you have 18 days of on call each month. The method of bidding reserve will be completely changed once NW comes onto our scheduling system so it is not worth discussing the current bid system. By default, you are on long call (12 hour leash). You can be given up to 6 short calls (2 hours or so leash) a month. The method of assigning short calls is very scientific. They give a blind, drunken monkey a handful of darts and if he hits your name on the dart board, you have short call. Seriously, there is no rhyme or reason to how they assign short calls, so don't try to figure it out. When you are on short call, they will also assign you a rest period where you don't have any phone obligation at all. For example, they assign you short call starting a 9 am on Tuesday. You are automatically placed on rest from midnight to 9 am.

You can understand a lot about the rules if you remember that you need to get 9 hours rest and need to acknowledge trips 3 hours before report. 9 + 3 = 12, which is the long call leash.

After a block of off days, you have to check your schedule after 3 pm (within 9 hours of midnight), in case they have assigned you an early flight on your first day of on call. When you come back from a trip, you also have to check your schedule as you are automatically given 9 hours rest and you could be given a trip with the minimum rest (that rarely happens).

Long call pilots are divided up into days of availability groupings (which I think is similar to NW). For domestic it is 4+ days, 3 days, 2 days, 1 day. Maybe an international pilot will add in if it is different for international. Within your days of availability grouping, trips are given out by RAW score (the amount of flying done that month) with the lowest score going first, seniority does not figure into who gets a trip.

However, if you are in the 3 day grouping and they are going to assign 5 pilots 3-day trips for the next day, then they go in seniority order to figure out who gets which trip. There is a template on the computer for you to put in your trip preferences so you can try to get a preferred layover, no all nighter, etc.

When you have vacation or training days in a month, you get RAW credit for those days, that way you do not come off vacation and immediately become the number one guy for a trip. They call these Credited Reserve On-Call days or CROC days.

If you are on reserve in a month and then on a regular line in the next month, they can assign you a trip that goes into the next month. For instance, if you are on call for June 28-30 and on a regular line for July, they can give you a 4 day trip on the 28th or even a 4 day trip on the 30th. You get paid straight pay for the time that goes into July, but you can get burned on days you thought you had off.

If you are on a regular line for a month and pick up a trip that goes into a reserve month, you have to fly the rotation, even if you hit your off days. In this case you have a 4 day trip on June 28th. You have to fly the trip into your reserve month (July) and if you have an X-day on July 1st you get no pay for that flying except it counting against your reserve guarantee. ***Correction***. You can keep your X-Days, but you have to call scheduling to have them move them. ***End Correction***

The long call leash is designed more to give you flexibility if you live in base or close to base. It is not really designed to be commuter friendly. Hopefully, there will be some more commuter friendly provisions in the future, but for now commuting to reserve is tough at Delta. When you are on your last day of reserve you can call scheduling and see if they will release you early. Usually they will unless they are getting swamped with open trips.

StormChaser 01-10-2009 11:19 AM

Great information. Thanks for posting!

gripen 01-10-2009 06:29 PM

Great info again, thank you! BTW what is a x-day?

Doing the reserve thing on the FNW side, so this will be helpful...

Justdoinmyjob 01-10-2009 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by gripen (Post 535341)
Great info again, thank you! BTW what is a x-day?

An X day is an off day the the company can violate. An asterisk * day, also called a golden day, is also an off day, but the company cannot mess with them.

To clarify, if for some reason the company cannot get you back to your domicile before an X day, they can fly you into the X day, but give you another day off. For an * day, they have to return you to your domicile before it starts, even if they have to pull you off the rotation and DH you home.

Also, if you are on reserve, your reserve commitment ends at 12 noon the day prior to an * day. I'm sure that there is a lot I'm leaving out though.

NuGuy 01-10-2009 10:38 PM

Heyas AR,

Thanks for the great gouge...

How do they handle training days, like CQ, when you are on reserve? Do you get credit for a day of training as a "day of work" towards the 18? Or is it over and above?

Back when NWA bid reserve lines, the idea was to bid reserve lines with reserve days on top of your CQ, so you didn't lose any days off. If you were too junior to do that, and wound up with CQ on your days off, it was a rotten deal.

Thanks!

Nu

sailingfun 01-11-2009 05:09 AM

There are some errors in the above. I might be best to wait for official sources. If you are a regular line holder going into a reserve month and a regular trips conflicts with X days you are paid back those X days. You don't lose them. Normally they are moved to when your regular trips gets back. You must request however that they get moved. No idea why.

* days are for trip assignment only. They can't give you a trip that flies into those days. Once you are on the road they can reroute you into those days any time they want. They can even reroute you into vacations days.

gripen 01-11-2009 06:09 AM

Thanks again guys! Waiting for a printed contract, supposed to arrive in Jan????

siemprerojo 01-11-2009 06:33 AM

This is incredibly valuable information. To the three of you that took the time to post this, thank you.
Siempre

NuGuy 01-11-2009 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by gripen (Post 535533)
Thanks again guys! Waiting for a printed contract, supposed to arrive in Jan????

Heyas Grip,

Work in progress...right now there are 4 documents: The DAL PWA, LOA 19, the JPWA and the JPWA amendments.

You can download everything from the merger website, but before you try to figure anything out, you need all four.

Nu

gripen 01-11-2009 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 535788)
Heyas Grip,

Work in progress...right now there are 4 documents: The DAL PWA, LOA 19, the JPWA and the JPWA amendments.

You can download everything from the merger website, but before you try to figure anything out, you need all four.

Nu

Nu,

Yeah, I know, it is just so much easier with one source. I have also always prefered having a physical copy in front of me vs. reading it online/on the computer...

johnso29 01-11-2009 04:54 PM

So is it possible to sit reserve out of base then? I do it all the time when on long call with NW. It's not a problem, and NW schedulers usually give me 18+ hours of notice. I just don't see how it would be difficult to sit long call at home.

Justdoinmyjob 01-11-2009 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 535942)
So is it possible to sit reserve out of base then? I do it all the time when on long call with NW. It's not a problem, and NW schedulers usually give me 18+ hours of notice. I just don't see how it would be difficult to sit long call at home.

That depends on how far away you live from base and what kind of commuting options you have. Usually the schedulers will give you more than 12 hours notice, at least I seem to get it, but you can get a few right at 12.

rvr350 01-11-2009 09:16 PM

If you live in major metropolitan cities that has trans-con flights, it's possible to sit long-call comfortably at home. But let's say you sit NYC long call during winter, and you live in Eugene, CA. Scheduler calls you at 9pm pacific time for a 11am next day show at JFK. Is it doable, yes, but not dependable. Unless you've commuted to JFK/LGA, it's a whole different ballgame during winter.

johnso29 01-12-2009 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 536037)
That depends on how far away you live from base and what kind of commuting options you have. Usually the schedulers will give you more than 12 hours notice, at least I seem to get it, but you can get a few right at 12.


OK Thanks. I commute to DTW from STL, so I think it won't be a problem.

rahc 01-12-2009 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 536037)
That depends on how far away you live from base and what kind of commuting options you have. Usually the schedulers will give you more than 12 hours notice, at least I seem to get it, but you can get a few right at 12.


I've noticed that they start assigning the open time around 9AM eastern. Usually all of the open time assigned within the next hour. I have only once gotten an assignment with less than 15 hrs notice.

Short call reserve seems to be the wild card. The one nice thing about short call is that you can be on your commute for the first two hours, so if you let them know, you aren't expected to answer your phone for that time.

reddog25 02-02-2009 06:24 PM

[QUOTE=rahc;536643]I've noticed that they start assigning the open time around 9AM eastern. Usually all of the open time assigned within the next hour. I have only once gotten an assignment with less than 15 hrs notice.

QUOTE]
Any LAX 767-300ER reserve types out there care to comment on long call assignments? Looks doable from MSP.......

Hawaii50 02-04-2009 07:20 PM

[quote=reddog25;550806]

Originally Posted by rahc (Post 536643)
I've noticed that they start assigning the open time around 9AM eastern. Usually all of the open time assigned within the next hour. I have only once gotten an assignment with less than 15 hrs notice.

QUOTE]
Any LAX 767-300ER reserve types out there care to comment on long call assignments? Looks doable from MSP.......

There are only a handful of trips in the category now but that's changing in Apr/May when the first of the LAX 767 domestic category is converted to the 7ER. About 1/4 of the LAX domestic was placed in the 7ER category on the last bid and their first conversions look to be around Apr. The entire domestic LAX 767 category appears to be going 7ER over several bids. Who knows what the bid packages will look like in April and beyond when they throw domestic trips in.

Reno07 06-27-2009 03:52 AM

For international reserve short call, when they show a short call at 1800 to 1800, does that count as two days short call or one.

Thanks

HIREME 04-30-2014 02:26 PM

With hiring going on full force and lots of new hires coming into the fold, I thought it would be a good idea to reserect this thread....what's changed with reserve since 09?

TexanDriver 10-12-2014 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by HIREME (Post 1633709)
With hiring going on full force and lots of new hires coming into the fold, I thought it would be a good idea to reserect this thread....what's changed with reserve since 09?

See above. Another bump to see if there are any updates with regards to sitting short call or long call, or if this info is still pretty accurate.

Dodo 06-12-2015 10:41 AM

Anyone????!!!

usmc-sgt 06-14-2015 04:33 AM

Start a new thread...this one is 6.5 years old.


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