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Old 05-07-2010, 08:13 PM   #131  
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After Delta finished their bankruptcy exit agreement and its payout for canceling the pension, pilots at UAL were asking, "why didn't we get all that?".

After our JCBA I'd like Delta pilots to be asking the same question!
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:14 AM   #132  
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And I also think we're just seeing the tip of the resistance spear to this merger.

Look for more and more "this is not good for the consumer" articles and statements in the coming months.

Everything I have read states that this move was to even out competition...call it resistance or not, but if they were not planning on the merger being successful, then why try to level out the competition now?
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:05 AM   #133  
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Agreed! We have been handed the rare chance to really make a positive difference on the profession as a whole. Everyone is looking to us. It's time to take back flying (SCOPE), ensure our own retirements are taken care of, make sure we are earning enough to support our families, and making sure we have enough time off to enjoy our lives!
I hope you guys scope in ALL jet flying (along with JV, etc)!
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Old 05-11-2010, 02:59 PM   #134  
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1. All pilots on long-term sick leave (12 months or longer) were removed
from the pre-merger lists.

2. The 274 oldest Northwest pilots were removed from the pre-merger list.

3. The first 3045 positions on the ISSL were filled with the first 1961 Delta
pilots and 1084 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1961:1084 beginning with a Delta pilot.

4. The next 2433 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 1313 Delta
pilots and 1120 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1313:1120 beginning with a Delta pilot.

5. The next 3932 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 2580 Delta
pilots and 1352 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
2580:1352 beginning with a Delta pilot.

6. The ISSL was completed with Delta and Northwest pilots remaining on the
pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1314:957 Delta to Northwest pilots beginning
with a Delta pilot until both pre-merger lists are exhausted subject to
paragraph 7, below.

7. All pilots with dates of hire after April 14, 2008, were placed at the bottom
of the ISSL in order of date of hire.

8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above
the next junior Northwest pilot.

9. The pilots on long-term sick leave pulled in paragraph 1. were inserted
directly above the next junior pilot on his/her respective pre-merger list.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:45 PM   #135  
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1. All pilots on long-term sick leave (12 months or longer) were removed
from the pre-merger lists.

2. The 274 oldest Northwest pilots were removed from the pre-merger list.

3. The first 3045 positions on the ISSL were filled with the first 1961 Delta
pilots and 1084 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1961:1084 beginning with a Delta pilot.

4. The next 2433 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 1313 Delta
pilots and 1120 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1313:1120 beginning with a Delta pilot.

5. The next 3932 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 2580 Delta
pilots and 1352 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
2580:1352 beginning with a Delta pilot.

6. The ISSL was completed with Delta and Northwest pilots remaining on the
pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1314:957 Delta to Northwest pilots beginning
with a Delta pilot until both pre-merger lists are exhausted subject to
paragraph 7, below.

7. All pilots with dates of hire after April 14, 2008, were placed at the bottom
of the ISSL in order of date of hire.

8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above
the next junior Northwest pilot.

9. The pilots on long-term sick leave pulled in paragraph 1. were inserted
directly above the next junior pilot on his/her respective pre-merger list.

Might be a reasonable approach for UAL/CAL, but for the difference of furloughed pilots.
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I think it will look very similar, with tailored numbers of course. Furloughed pilots would only affect the fourth group in the above example.
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I think it will look very similar, with tailored numbers of course. Furloughed pilots would only affect the fourth group in the above example.
I agree that this concept is likley to be in the final decision...
Isn't there more of a disparity in narrow v. widebody for us?
Resulting in an advantage for UAL in the widebody integration
and CAL in the narrowbody? Maybe the arbitrator will think that evens
things out.

Also, did NWA/DAL have such a large furlough disparity?
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:26 AM   #138  
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Also, did NWA/DAL have such a large furlough disparity?
No, both carriers have about 300, (approx 150 each,) who bypassed recall.
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:38 AM   #139  
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Were there any DAL/NW pilot who lost their seat or equipment with this type of integration? If done here in that same manner in about 18 to 24 months, I think the effect would be minimal.....but really not sure.
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I think it will look very similar, with tailored numbers of course. Furloughed pilots would only affect the fourth group in the above example.
Didn't ALPA merger policy change after the DAL/NWA integration?
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