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Old 05-12-2010, 05:20 AM   #141  
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Didn't ALPA merger policy change after the DAL/NWA integration?
Yes.

the old policy: (both UsAir and DAL were merged under the old policy)
a. Preserve jobs.
b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the other.
c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of living.
d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.

the new policy: (in no particular order)
a. Career Expectaions
b. Status and Category
c. Longevity
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Old 05-12-2010, 05:27 AM   #142  
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I agree that this concept is likley to be in the final decision...
Isn't there more of a disparity in narrow v. widebody for us?
Resulting in an advantage for UAL in the widebody integration
and CAL in the narrowbody? Maybe the arbitrator will think that evens
things out.

Also, did NWA/DAL have such a large furlough disparity?
Don't know. I just put this up so everyone can get a feel for how it MIGHT go. Every merger is different. Sure is exciting stuff
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8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above the next junior Northwest pilot.
For some reason I can't seem to understand this one. I'm trying to think but nothing happens.

And what was the rational for number 2?
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They called it a "pull and plug". The NWA pilots were an older group due to the number of early retirements at DAL. To remedy this, they pulled 274 "old dudes" from the NWA list and did the ssl without them. Then went back and plugged them into the list right above the next junior NWA guy on their original list.

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Old 05-13-2010, 08:31 PM   #145  
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One size will fit all - chicagotribune.com
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Old 05-14-2010, 04:18 AM   #146  
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The TRIBUNE may want to 're-check' their accurate figures & reporting!!

Didn't quite get the 'junior' active pilot on property correct, something about the inverse
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Old 05-14-2010, 05:04 AM   #147  
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Not only the most junior pilot thing being wrong, but the comment of "Continental has higher pay but more restrictive work rules" makes no sense. We don't HAVE work rules. It's the FARs for the most part. I think they didn't quite know how to make the statement.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:33 AM   #148  
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(placed in wrong forum)

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Before I ask the question, I would like to say that getting all worked up at each other about seniority is somewhere between whistling dixie and spitting into the wind.

But I would like to hear what you have to say...
(If you can answer in the spirit of unity, without ultimatums or rants)
  • Assuming that the CAL merger committee and their lawyer argue for UAL furloughs to be placed behind active pilots, and the UAL merger side argues for some sort of longevity recognition for furloughed/junior pilots; and the mediator/arbitrator comes back to CAL and says, "You need to come off your position and come up with something that gives these pilots some credit for longevity."
What should the CAL merger pilots' response be?
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Before I ask the question, I would like to say that getting all worked up at each other about seniority is somewhere between whistling dixie and spitting into the wind.

But I would like to hear what you have to say...
(If you can answer in the spirit of unity, without ultimatums or rants)
  • Assuming that the CAL merger committee and their lawyer argue for UAL furloughs to be placed behind active pilots, and the UAL merger side argues for some sort of longevity recognition for furloughed/junior pilots; and the mediator/arbitrator comes back to CAL and says, "You need to come off your position and come up with something that gives these pilots some credit for longevity."
What should the CAL merger pilots' response be?
Please accept this in the respectful way that it is intended:

I feel that "what if-" discussions of this nature can be counterproductive and possibly incendiary. We are two great airlines. When combined, we will be a unified, formidable team.
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