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Old 05-04-2010, 06:37 AM   #21  
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The original post is from FOUR (4) YEARS AGO! It wouldn't even be close to relevant or accurate today.

Nothing to see here...move along.
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it was a while ago ...but I believe TWA was in chapter 11....then they declared chapter 7....so in theory AA purchased assets of the liquidated airline...this was never an actual merger....that is why the twa pilots were stapled to aa list. did twa actualy HAVE to declare chapter 7?? ...is the fishy part.
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I can't wait to see this abortion of a "list" by ALPO!!!!! Also, how are you UAL guys and gals gonna like flying with all the CO scabs???? This is just too funny!!! have fun at Continited, or is it Unitenental. OK. Fire away!!!!!

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For information only, here is a merged seniority list for a Date of Hire integration of the UAL and CAL lists. This is for information only, please read the disclaimer on the file download.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...Itemid,85.html

We're looking for the AMR, NWA, and DAL Lists, please PM me if you'd like to submit your seniority list. All lists are de-identified [before being published here] with names and employee numbers removed.
HSLD....care to publish the Relative Senority Lists between CAL & UAL????

If you 'don't' have it, I'll be glad to supply to you. Have 2 list's based on R.S.- furloughs included....as well as the Active Pilots only.....and YES, all names/emply #'s removed for you in advance to protect I.D.

PM me and I'll send it your way so we can weigh both for 'all' to view. I'm sure you would be 'open' to showing 'all options'?? You know....."Fair & Unbias"
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I can't wait to see this abortion of a "list" by ALPO!!!!! Also, how are you UAL guys and gals gonna like flying with all the CO scabs???? This is just too funny!!! have fun at Continited, or is it Unitenental. OK. Fire away!!!!!
I sure the UAL guys will enjoy flying with the CAL scabs as much as we CAL pilots will enjoy flying with the UAL scabs.

If I had my way, we lose all the scabs on both sides and bring back all the furloughed guys!
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HSLD....care to publish the Relative Senority Lists between CAL & UAL????

If you 'don't' have it, I'll be glad to supply to you. Have 2 list's based on R.S.- furloughs included....as well as the Active Pilots only.....and YES, all names/emply #'s removed for you in advance to protect I.D.

PM me and I'll send it your way so we can weigh both for 'all' to view. I'm sure you would be 'open' to showing 'all options'?? You know....."Fair & Unbias"
Socal,

We all need to keep in mind that when these lists are published, and they will, no one really expects a straight date of hire integration. On the other hand, I would be very surprised if there was a straight relative seniority integration as well. The final list when produced, I am quite confident, will surprise most.

There's a thread going on within the UAL forum talking about how we need to set a high standard and treat each group with respect and let our respective merger committees do the work. In the end we will be flying together and we have a large contract in front of us.

With that being said, publish the lists and break out the olives and martinis.
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HSLD....care to publish the Relative Senority Lists between CAL & UAL????

If you 'don't' have it, I'll be glad to supply to you. Have 2 list's based on R.S.- furloughs included....as well as the Active Pilots only.....and YES, all names/emply #'s removed for you in advance to protect I.D.

PM me and I'll send it your way so we can weigh both for 'all' to view. I'm sure you would be 'open' to showing 'all options'?? You know....."Fair & Unbias"

SoCAl,

Check your PM, please.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:58 AM   #28  
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Socal,

We all need to keep in mind that when these lists are published, and they will, no one really expects a straight date of hire integration. On the other hand, I would be very surprised if there was a straight relative seniority integration as well. The final list when produced, I am quite confident, will surprise most.

There's a thread going on within the UAL forum talking about how we need to set a high standard and treat each group with respect and let our respective merger committees do the work. In the end we will be flying together and we have a large contract in front of us.

With that being said, publish the lists and break out the olives and martinis.
Fritz....

I hear what your saying & could not agree with you more. "Tongue and Cheek", I may have come across as "snide", not meant as such.

As you pointed out, DOH vs Straight Relative Seniority, both are at the far ends of each spectrum in this SLI.....Strictly one, or the other, would present a Windfall for one group in this integration. I think we (as MANY others) can agree, a one-sided Windfall would be unfair/unbalanced.....not something we want to embark on in a constructive integration.

The point I was trying to make (and be it valid), if someone (who is a CO-Founder and UAL Pilot) wants to present a DOH list (which if solely used would be considered a Windfall as we mentioned above), what's wrong with someone else 'suggesting' that he also offer the other side of the coin in weighing in on what a Relative Seniority List would look like as well?? IF there are options/ideas to put on the table to view it from all prospective's, why not welcome it?? Again, that's all I was pointing out. If that's perceived as being out of line, I would have to disagree.

I whole-heartedly agree with you on the what a great opportunity we have in coming to together and making the NEW UAL one of the worlds most formidable carrier's. In doing so, we will have to rub elbows/constructively share ideas on how we can fairly integrate into ONE VOICE via an amicable SLI. This will be the ONLY way we can make a unified stance in 'negotiating' with mgt in obtaining the BEST CBA possible, not only UAL Pilots, but also holding the company's feet the fire on SCOPE & JV Flying as it pertains to industry wide.

In the end, I apologize for any 'wrong tone' that I may have presented to you, HSLD, or any other reader. Just a valid point/suggestion in my eyes, thus the post.
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I agree with most of what you say but have a hard time understanding how straight relative senority with fences is somehow on one end of the 'windfall' spectrum. Seems pretty middle of the road to me.
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Socal,

I did not mean to suggest you were displaying a wrong tone. Far from it. I was more or less speaking through you to everyone else. Once people see a list of any sort, many will tend to, for lack of a better term, "keyboard quarterback."

Lists are just that. There are many variables that eventually lead to our integration. Take care and see you around the school yard.
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