Merged CAL/UAL seniority lists
#31
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it was a while ago ...but I believe TWA was in chapter 11....then they declared chapter 7....so in theory AA purchased assets of the liquidated airline...this was never an actual merger....that is why the twa pilots were stapled to aa list. did twa actualy HAVE to declare chapter 7?? ...is the fishy part.
TWA was not in Ch 11 before purchase took place. AA required TWA to file for Ch 11 as a condition of the purchase.
Regarding the integration/staple, APA molded it exactly the way an arbitrator would have - to withstand the eventual lawsuit, which it did. Fair, depends on who you ask. I'd say the majority of TWA pilots got hosed - but it was expected, much like the way anyone getting purchased by SWA will also get hosed seniority-wise.
#32
Even fences will not fix this problem as most of us who are under 60 are in this for the long haul. No one is going to put up a 25-year fence.
Strict date-of-hire would not be fair either, as UAL's most junior active pilot (after the Tilton furlough) is several years senior to the most junior CAL Captain.
As many have already said, it will not be strict DOH or strict relative seniority, but some conglomeration of both along with several other factors.
#34
Not to mention the fact that if you do get a copy of SoCal's relative list, the first thing you may notice is that there are CAL pilots on the list that were born in 1938, a few in 1942... I doubt that the list holds any more credibility than the straight DOH list.
#35
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#36
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1. Status and category
2. Longevity
3. Career expectations
So longevity, or date of hire, is a consideration.
#37
This is going to be a major issue with the SLI. With furloughs back to 1999 and guys at CAL hired in 2006 and 7 holding widebodies (not sure what a stovepipe works out to), I'm glad I'm watching this from the outside.
#38
#39
Just stating the facts on the current fleet makeup at UAL and CAL mainline. 58% vs 31% widebodies. I guess that would make UAL "the one with the premium fleet." Personally, I would much rather that the 100 guppies and 1400+ furloughees were still on the property at UAL.
#40
Either way, the career expectations of UAL and CAL pilots differ because of this, regardless of past issues with scope, furloughs, etc. A straight relative seniority integration would be no less of a windfall for the CAL pilots than a straight DOH integration would be for those at UAL.
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