Sink r8

I see your point, but you simply have to look at Jonathan Ornstein and Doug Parker (and Frank Lorenzo) to see that the link between "willing" employees and good, functional airlines, is often broken. If a company's short-term prospects were directly lnked to the "willingness" of employees, CAL would have failed twice over, UAL, DAL, and NW wouldn't exist, and UsAir would never have morphed into what it is today.

At a minimum, it takes years before everyone can clearly see the connection between a demoralized employee group and a failing company. Especially since there are enough demoralized employees in the industry, indeed the whole country, which makes the crummy airline simply blend in with the scenery.

By the time anyone figures they've gone too far, for too long, the original CEO is long retired, and the employees are broke.

skypest

True comment. UAL currently has 113 wide bodies while CAL has 46. Looking forward at "firm" orders for each - CAL has 25 787's and 5 777's in its future while UAL has 25 787's and 25 A350's in its. I don't know of any options for CAL while UAL has an additional 50 787's and an additional 50 A350's booked as options. If the future holds a LCC/AWA type list integration - then expect the number of wide bodies to control how the top the the lists are integrated.

David Watts

CAL has 25 options for the 787. CAL starts getting 777 this year and 787 next year, if Boeing gets it built.

When do UAL firm orders start arriving? Are they replacing older wide body aircraft with them, like the 747 and maybe some older 767?

Look for the Airbus orders to probably get cancelled if this merger happens.

A320fumes

2016 at earliest

Lambourne

Does the delivery schedule factor for anything or is it just numbers in the pipeline? I really don't know.....

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skypest

To my limited knowledge - orders don't count for squat. The only thing that is considered is what actually exists on the ramp when things go down.

Perhaps orders could be looked at in regards to "career expectations". I don't know.

A320fumes

"Career Expectations" also = "squat". It's been 11 years since my new-hire class @ USAirways. I didn't expect to be placed 2,000 numbers jr to an 2005 hire or to make Captain @ CAL in less than 3 years. "Career-Expectations" can kiss my arse!

REAL Pilot

[quote=skypest;804131]True comment. UAL currently has 113 wide bodies while CAL has 46......


Thanks for all the numbers. Why didn't you count UAL's 97 757's as widebodies? Why/why not?

Thanks

Carpe Diem

HSLD

Take a look at CAL's page on the APC site, you'll see that the 757's are considered large narrow-bodies, middle in the 3-tier pay structure.

WIDE = 777, 767-400, 767-200
LN = 757-200, 757-300, 737-800/-900
SN = 737-700/-500/-300

Like the 777/747, 757/767, and 320/737 fleets at UA, CAL also has blended rates. They're not based on a specific airframe, but instead, they are based on a gauge classification. So, at CAL, a 757 is not a wide body.

skypest

I guess another way of looking at it (and I think many would agree) - If the aircraft has two aisle's it is a Wide body. Thus a single aisle is a narrow body.