Originally Posted by justjack

I do not know how old you are or how long that you have been familiar with commercial aviation but can you tell me that you truly trust any airline pilot when it comes to seniority- or even your job? How many times have you been aware of group of pilots (from any airline) who were hoping to improve their situation by some other airline being bought out or going under?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

The Ninth's ruling says nothing about the arbitration or its binding nature. What they said was a union has to ratify a deal before they can be sued for DFR. The Ninth also said nothing about which seniority integration method is fair or the gold standard.

There was a three party agreement in the AWA/AAA transition agreement with US Air management. That agreement was completed in its entirety and resulted in the Nicolau list. If US Air management deviates from that agreement they face the possibility of damages. I doubt that the management will ever agree to anything other than the Nicolau list as they will open themselves to massive damages for something that provides them with no benefits.

This agreement means that crew room lawyers with equally bad real lawyers, will get to renege on their deal for a little longer. They will take this as a sign they can prevail in this quest, but they will fail. Along the way, they will continue to lag the industry by a greater and greater amount. In the end, this will become the most fruitless and self damaging quests ever in the history of this profession.

Originally Posted by all4114all

Sir, you are an alpa rep for delta. I am sorry you do not see things in a way that most men do as a requirement for respect in a civilized society. Courage and intestinal fortitude is not a requirement to belong to society, but it is viewed as an asset.

Thank you for you comments.

Originally Posted by all4114all

Seniority matters. The Federal Courts have proved this.

Originally Posted by Splash

The die is cast. No pilot wearing the Airways uniform, or their bargaining agent, will be trusted again.

Binding arbitration doesn't mean "unless we don't like it".

No one will ever forget what has happened here.

Originally Posted by Splash

I've been through two mergers: NWA-REP & NWA-DAL. In both cases the the seniority lists were constructed through binding arbitration. In both cases the parties that agreed to abide by the award of the arbitrators actually held true to their commitment. There were no lawsuits, abandonment of ALPA, or hijacking of the contract. We had our skirmishes in both - but nothing like these USAPA clowns.

Know enough now?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

I am a line pilot for Delta, so you are wrong. I guess you think it is gutsy to steal what you couldn't obtain through your own agreed to process. That is not the word I would use.

In the end, you will fail. You can self identify yourself as a courageous crusader for justice, but everyone else sees your group as a bunch of clowns on a fool's errand, destroying the careers of everyone associated with your company.