Jumpseat etiquette
06-10-2017, 10:15 PM
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I'll elaborate:
"Jumpseater from Hell!
10 minutes prior to departure I saw a pilot board and make the right turn toward the cabin. As he was getting his bags ready for the overhead bin, we exchanged glances and nods. The G*/PALL had an AA pilot listed as a D2 along with a few other D2’s. Not really thinking about it, I assumed the pilot who just boarded was the AA pilot, uniforms look very similar. After the main cabin door was closed and I received the “seated and stowed” from the #1, I looked at the non rev list again, this time I noticed we had a D6UJ on board and they were seated in 1A. I called the #1 and asked who was in 1A. She stated “one of our pilots.” I asked her if she was sure and she said she would ask, and if I wanted to talk with him. I said no, not at this time. We got busy with the checklists and pushback, but when we leveled off at cruise and were getting our meals, I asked the #1 if she found out who he worked for, and she said “Mesa!” I then asked if she would tell the pilot to please see me before he left upon arrival in DFW, and she said she would relay the message.
Arriving in DFW and shutdown checklist complete, I opened the cockpit door. A few seconds later the jumpseater approached, we shook hands and I said, “Glad to have you aboard, next time please come up front and introduce yourself.” He said “not a problem,” and turned to walk away. This is where it gets interesting: Maybe 30 seconds goes by and he returns and says, “I have an issue, why are you busting my balls over this?” “How do you know I wasn’t on a full fare ticket?” “We get people all the time in uniform moving around the system, non revving and some full fare.” I said based on your classification on my non rev list, I could tell you were a jumpseater, and common courtesy is to come up and introduce yourself. His response was; Well, I’m a Captain too and I don’t operate my aircraft that way!” I mentioned, “he was fit to operate his aircraft and manage his jumpseaters any was he saw fit, but I would appreciate the courtesy of an introduction when jumpseating on my aircraft, maybe I’m just Old School! His response was priceless: “You’re not Old School, you’re just OLD!”
Well, that was the end of the conversation as far as I was concerned. I told him to get his belongings and get off the airplane, NOW! I also said I had his name and to expect a call from our Jump Seat committee! He met me again at the top of the jet bridge wanting my name and info, so I gave him my business card and walked away…………
-Redacted- based Captain, whom will NEVER ride in the jumpseat of an aircraft I am Captain of!!! The First Officer heard the entire exchange, as did two of my Flight Attendants."
You folks have a rogue on your hands who knows NOTHING about proper and normal jumpseat courtesy. And he's a captain?! Are you kidding?! I have NEVER in my 26 years of airline flying and HUNDREDS of jumpseats asked for EVER not checked in with the Captain and ASKED for a ride, let alone pulled the stunt this asshat pulled. Unbelievable. Where does this guy get off asking how the CA knew he WASN'T riding as a full fare? It's in plain black and white right down at the bottom of the Standby list, numbnutz!! D6UJ is jumpseat.
Reign this guy in!
(And, yes, jumpseat commitee is now involved)
"Jumpseater from Hell!
10 minutes prior to departure I saw a pilot board and make the right turn toward the cabin. As he was getting his bags ready for the overhead bin, we exchanged glances and nods. The G*/PALL had an AA pilot listed as a D2 along with a few other D2’s. Not really thinking about it, I assumed the pilot who just boarded was the AA pilot, uniforms look very similar. After the main cabin door was closed and I received the “seated and stowed” from the #1, I looked at the non rev list again, this time I noticed we had a D6UJ on board and they were seated in 1A. I called the #1 and asked who was in 1A. She stated “one of our pilots.” I asked her if she was sure and she said she would ask, and if I wanted to talk with him. I said no, not at this time. We got busy with the checklists and pushback, but when we leveled off at cruise and were getting our meals, I asked the #1 if she found out who he worked for, and she said “Mesa!” I then asked if she would tell the pilot to please see me before he left upon arrival in DFW, and she said she would relay the message.
Arriving in DFW and shutdown checklist complete, I opened the cockpit door. A few seconds later the jumpseater approached, we shook hands and I said, “Glad to have you aboard, next time please come up front and introduce yourself.” He said “not a problem,” and turned to walk away. This is where it gets interesting: Maybe 30 seconds goes by and he returns and says, “I have an issue, why are you busting my balls over this?” “How do you know I wasn’t on a full fare ticket?” “We get people all the time in uniform moving around the system, non revving and some full fare.” I said based on your classification on my non rev list, I could tell you were a jumpseater, and common courtesy is to come up and introduce yourself. His response was; Well, I’m a Captain too and I don’t operate my aircraft that way!” I mentioned, “he was fit to operate his aircraft and manage his jumpseaters any was he saw fit, but I would appreciate the courtesy of an introduction when jumpseating on my aircraft, maybe I’m just Old School! His response was priceless: “You’re not Old School, you’re just OLD!”
Well, that was the end of the conversation as far as I was concerned. I told him to get his belongings and get off the airplane, NOW! I also said I had his name and to expect a call from our Jump Seat committee! He met me again at the top of the jet bridge wanting my name and info, so I gave him my business card and walked away…………
-Redacted- based Captain, whom will NEVER ride in the jumpseat of an aircraft I am Captain of!!! The First Officer heard the entire exchange, as did two of my Flight Attendants."
You folks have a rogue on your hands who knows NOTHING about proper and normal jumpseat courtesy. And he's a captain?! Are you kidding?! I have NEVER in my 26 years of airline flying and HUNDREDS of jumpseats asked for EVER not checked in with the Captain and ASKED for a ride, let alone pulled the stunt this asshat pulled. Unbelievable. Where does this guy get off asking how the CA knew he WASN'T riding as a full fare? It's in plain black and white right down at the bottom of the Standby list, numbnutz!! D6UJ is jumpseat.
Reign this guy in!
(And, yes, jumpseat commitee is now involved)
Last edited by 450knotOffice; 06-10-2017 at 10:55 PM.
06-10-2017, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
I'll elaborate:
"Jumpseater from Hell!
10 minutes prior to departure I saw a pilot board and make the right turn toward the cabin. As he was getting his bags ready for the overhead bin, we exchanged glances and nods. The G*/PALL had an AA pilot listed as a D2 along with a few other D2’s. Not really thinking about it, I assumed the pilot who just boarded was the AA pilot, uniforms look very similar. After the main cabin door was closed and I received the “seated and stowed” from the #1, I looked at the non rev list again, this time I noticed we had a D6UJ on board and they were seated in 1A. I called the #1 and asked who was in 1A. She stated “one of our pilots.” I asked her if she was sure and she said she would ask, and if I wanted to talk with him. I said no, not at this time. We got busy with the checklists and pushback, but when we leveled off at cruise and were getting our meals, I asked the #1 if she found out who he worked for, and she said “Mesa!” I then asked if she would tell the pilot to please see me before he left upon arrival in DFW, and she said she would relay the message.
Arriving in DFW and shutdown checklist complete, I opened the cockpit door. A few seconds later the jumpseater approached, we shook hands and I said, “Glad to have you aboard, next time please come up front and introduce yourself.” He said “not a problem,” and turned to walk away. This is where it gets interesting: Maybe 30 seconds goes by and he returns and says, “I have an issue, why are you busting my balls over this?” “How do you know I wasn’t on a full fare ticket?” “We get people all the time in uniform moving around the system, non revving and some full fare.” I said based on your classification on my non rev list, I could tell you were a jumpseater, and common courtesy is to come up and introduce yourself. His response was; Well, I’m a Captain too and I don’t operate my aircraft that way!” I mentioned, “he was fit to operate his aircraft and manage his jumpseaters any was he saw fit, but I would appreciate the courtesy of an introduction when jumpseating on my aircraft, maybe I’m just Old School! His response was priceless: “You’re not Old School, you’re just OLD!”
Well, that was the end of the conversation as far as I was concerned. I told him to get his belongings and get off the airplane, NOW! I also said I had his name and to expect a call from our Jump Seat committee! He met me again at the top of the jet bridge wanting my name and info, so I gave him my business card and walked away…………
-Redacted- based Captain, whom will NEVER ride in the jumpseat of an aircraft I am Captain of!!! The First Officer heard the entire exchange, as did two of my Flight Attendants."
You folks have a rogue on your hands who knows NOTHING about common required jumpseat courtesy. And he's a captain?! Are you kidding?! I have NEVER in my 26 years and HUNDREDS of jumpseats EVER not checked in with the Captain and ASKED for a ride, let alone pulled the stunt this asshat pulled. Unbelievable. Where does this guy get off asking how the CA knew he WASN'T riding as a full fare? It's in plain black and white right down at the bottom of the Standby list, numbnutz!! D6UJ is jumpseat.
Reign this guy in!
(And, yes, jumpseat commitee is now involved)
"Jumpseater from Hell!
10 minutes prior to departure I saw a pilot board and make the right turn toward the cabin. As he was getting his bags ready for the overhead bin, we exchanged glances and nods. The G*/PALL had an AA pilot listed as a D2 along with a few other D2’s. Not really thinking about it, I assumed the pilot who just boarded was the AA pilot, uniforms look very similar. After the main cabin door was closed and I received the “seated and stowed” from the #1, I looked at the non rev list again, this time I noticed we had a D6UJ on board and they were seated in 1A. I called the #1 and asked who was in 1A. She stated “one of our pilots.” I asked her if she was sure and she said she would ask, and if I wanted to talk with him. I said no, not at this time. We got busy with the checklists and pushback, but when we leveled off at cruise and were getting our meals, I asked the #1 if she found out who he worked for, and she said “Mesa!” I then asked if she would tell the pilot to please see me before he left upon arrival in DFW, and she said she would relay the message.
Arriving in DFW and shutdown checklist complete, I opened the cockpit door. A few seconds later the jumpseater approached, we shook hands and I said, “Glad to have you aboard, next time please come up front and introduce yourself.” He said “not a problem,” and turned to walk away. This is where it gets interesting: Maybe 30 seconds goes by and he returns and says, “I have an issue, why are you busting my balls over this?” “How do you know I wasn’t on a full fare ticket?” “We get people all the time in uniform moving around the system, non revving and some full fare.” I said based on your classification on my non rev list, I could tell you were a jumpseater, and common courtesy is to come up and introduce yourself. His response was; Well, I’m a Captain too and I don’t operate my aircraft that way!” I mentioned, “he was fit to operate his aircraft and manage his jumpseaters any was he saw fit, but I would appreciate the courtesy of an introduction when jumpseating on my aircraft, maybe I’m just Old School! His response was priceless: “You’re not Old School, you’re just OLD!”
Well, that was the end of the conversation as far as I was concerned. I told him to get his belongings and get off the airplane, NOW! I also said I had his name and to expect a call from our Jump Seat committee! He met me again at the top of the jet bridge wanting my name and info, so I gave him my business card and walked away…………
-Redacted- based Captain, whom will NEVER ride in the jumpseat of an aircraft I am Captain of!!! The First Officer heard the entire exchange, as did two of my Flight Attendants."
You folks have a rogue on your hands who knows NOTHING about common required jumpseat courtesy. And he's a captain?! Are you kidding?! I have NEVER in my 26 years and HUNDREDS of jumpseats EVER not checked in with the Captain and ASKED for a ride, let alone pulled the stunt this asshat pulled. Unbelievable. Where does this guy get off asking how the CA knew he WASN'T riding as a full fare? It's in plain black and white right down at the bottom of the Standby list, numbnutz!! D6UJ is jumpseat.
Reign this guy in!
(And, yes, jumpseat commitee is now involved)
Omg man honestly whooooooooo cares? I don't know of any CA including myself who cares about wether they come up to say hi. They're getting on anyways. Certainly not enough to involve someone over it. Do you not have a life? The only guys that I know that might care are the company weirdos. Your story could have been told in about 2 sentences too, no need to hear about your first class meal times. You guys are so out of touch, picking on regional pilots. You should probably be in his shoes for a trip and then at the end of it have some CA that probably makes 4 times more than him ask himwhy he didn't say hello. How many times have we gotten on someone's cockpit only for them to act like they've been bothered by us asking for a ride??
06-10-2017, 11:07 PM
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If you believe most of what you wrote, you have a serious misunderstanding of the proper way to ask for a jumpseat, purple. This is not regional pilot vs mainline pilot (which is a ridiculous accusation, btw). This is common courtesy. Something all of our various airlines' committees believe in and endorse. It's a courtesy as old as jumpseat riding itself. You ask the FA to see the CA, introduce yourself, ask for a ride, and present credentials. In fact, at most, if not all, airlines, this is required.
by the way, did you not read the whole report? Had the jumpseater simply let it be after the CA asked him to introduce himself next time, all would've been forgotten. But no. Mr. classless, clueless jumpseater has to come back into the cockpit to argue with the CA about it. THAT's where this guy stepped over the line and showed his total lack of regard for proper jumpseat etiquette. And, yes, we've all met the occasional CA who has the personality of a potato and acts like you just bothered him by ASKING for a jumpseat, but honestly, those folks are one out of a hundred. Most are like "hey man, yea, you're totally welcome onboard. Glad to have ya. Did they give ya a seat? If not you're welcome in here.", then when told I've been given a seat, typically say "Awesome. Thanks for checking, man." And that's it. End of pleasantries.
The poster prior to me asked for elaboration. Well, he got it (this was not my report, by the way, in case you interpreted it that way).
by the way, did you not read the whole report? Had the jumpseater simply let it be after the CA asked him to introduce himself next time, all would've been forgotten. But no. Mr. classless, clueless jumpseater has to come back into the cockpit to argue with the CA about it. THAT's where this guy stepped over the line and showed his total lack of regard for proper jumpseat etiquette. And, yes, we've all met the occasional CA who has the personality of a potato and acts like you just bothered him by ASKING for a jumpseat, but honestly, those folks are one out of a hundred. Most are like "hey man, yea, you're totally welcome onboard. Glad to have ya. Did they give ya a seat? If not you're welcome in here.", then when told I've been given a seat, typically say "Awesome. Thanks for checking, man." And that's it. End of pleasantries.
The poster prior to me asked for elaboration. Well, he got it (this was not my report, by the way, in case you interpreted it that way).
Last edited by 450knotOffice; 06-10-2017 at 11:31 PM.
06-10-2017, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
If you believe that, you have a serious misunderstanding of the proper way to ask for a jumpseat, purple. This is not regional pilot vs mainline pilot (which is a ridiculous accusation, btw). This is common courtesy. Something all of our various airlines' committees believe in and endorse. It's a courtesy as old as jumpseat riding itself. You ask the FA to see the CA, introduce yourself, ask for a ride, and present credentials. In fact, at most, if not all, airlines, this is required.
The poster prior to me asked for elaboration. Well, he got it (this was not my report, by the way, in case you interpreted it that way).
The poster prior to me asked for elaboration. Well, he got it (this was not my report, by the way, in case you interpreted it that way).
The proper way is to take the high road and respect the other guy regardless of what they did to you. Your buddy there is obviously insecure about something and felt his ego threatened by some regional CA. Instead of fighting with the guy and bothering the union, yes bothering them over this, he should have had a real conversation with the guy. You even mentioned they made eye contact and then nodded, for most people that is really enough. Now you know you have another pilot back there.
I had a similar thing happen to me years ago with a Virgin America CA. It was over switching seats in the cabin. The FA had an issue with me over that and for whatever reason told the CA but completely lied about what actually happened and my intentions. I was brand new and didn't have any idea how things worked at that airline so I took the CAs words but I wish that would have happened now so I could have properly defended myself. That douchebag CA actually called the jumpseat commete over it, for literally nothing.
06-10-2017, 11:21 PM
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Aside from checking in, he should've left it at "not a problem" and briefly apologized. If the conversation actually went as described, there's no excuse.
Now to play devil's advocate for a moment, every pilot at the non-wholly owned's has been made painfully aware of how much less their worth is to American. It's often a fight just to get priority on our own metal with some gate agents. Want to avoid being dead last on the list? That'll be $1.28, please.
Every. Leg.
Every. Commute.
Cabin full? Now you're ****ed because AAC doesn't qualify you for the actual jumpseat, and God help you if you've made a listing with both codes. Hell hath no fury like a gate agent scorned.
So you just start listing D6. You're always at the bottom, and even though you've paid for your nonrev benefits you now have to make sure it's cool with the Captain that you're going to work. You're not a real nonrev like you would've been had you paid that buck twenty-eight, or better yet gone to Envoy.
We were supposed to have access to Jetnet October of 2015. They're still "working on it." In the interim, we aren't even allowed to commute to work if the only available seat is in first class. How backward is that? They would rather risk a crew cancellation than give a non wholly-owned pilot a first class seat. Speaking of which, how is a Mesa pilot in 1A? Honestly, that tidbit calls into question the credibility of this whole story.
We all know we're the red headed stepchildren of this merger, and we're reminded of it continuously. Getting called out was probably the straw that broke the Mesa pilot's back, and who knows if the AA pilot really confronted him that diplomatically. Sure, he should've checked in, but let's be honest, this incident is symptomatic of much larger employee treatment issues that foster resentment, division, and hardship for many.
It shouldn't be so hard to go to work.
Now to play devil's advocate for a moment, every pilot at the non-wholly owned's has been made painfully aware of how much less their worth is to American. It's often a fight just to get priority on our own metal with some gate agents. Want to avoid being dead last on the list? That'll be $1.28, please.
Every. Leg.
Every. Commute.
Cabin full? Now you're ****ed because AAC doesn't qualify you for the actual jumpseat, and God help you if you've made a listing with both codes. Hell hath no fury like a gate agent scorned.
So you just start listing D6. You're always at the bottom, and even though you've paid for your nonrev benefits you now have to make sure it's cool with the Captain that you're going to work. You're not a real nonrev like you would've been had you paid that buck twenty-eight, or better yet gone to Envoy.
We were supposed to have access to Jetnet October of 2015. They're still "working on it." In the interim, we aren't even allowed to commute to work if the only available seat is in first class. How backward is that? They would rather risk a crew cancellation than give a non wholly-owned pilot a first class seat. Speaking of which, how is a Mesa pilot in 1A? Honestly, that tidbit calls into question the credibility of this whole story.
We all know we're the red headed stepchildren of this merger, and we're reminded of it continuously. Getting called out was probably the straw that broke the Mesa pilot's back, and who knows if the AA pilot really confronted him that diplomatically. Sure, he should've checked in, but let's be honest, this incident is symptomatic of much larger employee treatment issues that foster resentment, division, and hardship for many.
It shouldn't be so hard to go to work.
06-10-2017, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
Omg man honestly whooooooooo cares? I don't know of any CA including myself who cares about wether they come up to say hi. They're getting on anyways. Certainly not enough to involve someone over it. Do you not have a life? The only guys that I know that might care are the company weirdos. Your story could have been told in about 2 sentences too, no need to hear about your first class meal times. You guys are so out of touch, picking on regional pilots. You should probably be in his shoes for a trip and then at the end of it have some CA that probably makes 4 times more than him ask himwhy he didn't say hello. How many times have we gotten on someone's cockpit only for them to act like they've been bothered by us asking for a ride??
Fly safe
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06-10-2017, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Aside from checking in, he should've left it at "not a problem" and briefly apologized. If the conversation actually went as described, there's no excuse.
Now to play devil's advocate for a moment, every pilot at the non-wholly owned's has been made painfully aware of how much less their worth is to American. It's often a fight just to get priority on our own metal with some gate agents. Want to avoid being dead last on the list? That'll be $1.28, please.
Every. Leg.
Every. Commute.
Cabin full? Now you're ****ed because AAC doesn't qualify you for the actual jumpseat, and God help you if you've made a listing with both codes. Hell hath no fury like a gate agent scorned.
So you just start listing D6. You're always at the bottom, and even though you've paid for your nonrev benefits you now have to make sure it's cool with the Captain that you're going to work. You're not a real nonrev like you would've been had you paid that buck twenty-eight, or better yet gone to Envoy.
We were supposed to have access to Jetnet October of 2015. They're still "working on it." In the interim, we aren't even allowed to commute to work if the only available seat is in first class. How backward is that? They would rather risk a crew cancellation than give a non wholly-owned pilot a first class seat. Speaking of which, how is a Mesa pilot in 1A? Honestly, that tidbit calls into question the credibility of this whole story.
We all know we're the red headed stepchildren of this merger, and we're reminded of it continuously. Getting called out was probably the straw that broke the Mesa pilot's back, and who knows if the AA pilot really confronted him that diplomatically. Sure, he should've checked in, but let's be honest, this incident is symptomatic of much larger employee treatment issues that foster resentment, division, and hardship for many.
It shouldn't be so hard to go to work.
Now to play devil's advocate for a moment, every pilot at the non-wholly owned's has been made painfully aware of how much less their worth is to American. It's often a fight just to get priority on our own metal with some gate agents. Want to avoid being dead last on the list? That'll be $1.28, please.
Every. Leg.
Every. Commute.
Cabin full? Now you're ****ed because AAC doesn't qualify you for the actual jumpseat, and God help you if you've made a listing with both codes. Hell hath no fury like a gate agent scorned.
So you just start listing D6. You're always at the bottom, and even though you've paid for your nonrev benefits you now have to make sure it's cool with the Captain that you're going to work. You're not a real nonrev like you would've been had you paid that buck twenty-eight, or better yet gone to Envoy.
We were supposed to have access to Jetnet October of 2015. They're still "working on it." In the interim, we aren't even allowed to commute to work if the only available seat is in first class. How backward is that? They would rather risk a crew cancellation than give a non wholly-owned pilot a first class seat. Speaking of which, how is a Mesa pilot in 1A? Honestly, that tidbit calls into question the credibility of this whole story.
We all know we're the red headed stepchildren of this merger, and we're reminded of it continuously. Getting called out was probably the straw that broke the Mesa pilot's back, and who knows if the AA pilot really confronted him that diplomatically. Sure, he should've checked in, but let's be honest, this incident is symptomatic of much larger employee treatment issues that foster resentment, division, and hardship for many.
It shouldn't be so hard to go to work.
06-10-2017, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by B757
..With respect, where do you get this from ??..If the Captain says no, you won´t be on the flight..Period..Jumpseating is a priviledge, not a right..Requires the Captain´s approval..Always..
Fly safe
B757
Fly safe
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