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Old 01-14-2018 | 05:00 AM
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Questions re: MESA training program...

1. Heard they have recently instituted a “pre-indoc” program which lasts about 14 hours, because the new hires have no concept of jet engines, high altitude physiology, and “professionalism”. And the new hires are not paid for this time, but are required to attend. ???

2. Heard they actually do not pay during the travel day and the first 5-6 days of training. Even though the MESA web site says otherwise, and MESA makes new hires “accept” the offer (thus forming the contract), when they arrive the new hires are told their “hire date” is actually about a week off. The reason being told is delays in HR, drug testing, etc. ???

Any truth to this ???
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Old 01-14-2018 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Questions re: MESA training program...

1. Heard they have recently instituted a “pre-indoc” program which lasts about 14 hours, because the new hires have no concept of jet engines, high altitude physiology, and “professionalism”. And the new hires are not paid for this time, but are required to attend. ???

2. Heard they actually do not pay during the travel day and the first 5-6 days of training. Even though the MESA web site says otherwise, and MESA makes new hires “accept” the offer (thus forming the contract), when they arrive the new hires are told their “hire date” is actually about a week off. The reason being told is delays in HR, drug testing, etc. ???

Any truth to this ???
The first day you show up you are drug tested. When your test comes back negative, you are hired and pay starts. For me, I showed on the 9th, I was off on the 10th and pre-indoc/pay started on the 11th. If your drug test has "issues" it might delay your start but you will not start any training until your test comes back clean. I had one person in our class who's test took an extra day. He missed the first day of indoc but the made it up and was back on schedule before systems.
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Old 01-15-2018 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Questions re: MESA training program...

1. Heard they have recently instituted a “pre-indoc” program which lasts about 14 hours, because the new hires have no concept of jet engines, high altitude physiology, and “professionalism”. And the new hires are not paid for this time, but are required to attend. ???

2. Heard they actually do not pay during the travel day and the first 5-6 days of training. Even though the MESA web site says otherwise, and MESA makes new hires “accept” the offer (thus forming the contract), when they arrive the new hires are told their “hire date” is actually about a week off. The reason being told is delays in HR, drug testing, etc. ???

Any truth to this ???
No idea. But there's truth to the fact that it's Mesa. Not MESA. You don't call it SKYWEST. You call it Skywest. Mesa is not an acronym.
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Old 01-15-2018 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Questions re: MESA training program...

1. Heard they have recently instituted a “pre-indoc” program which lasts about 14 hours, because the new hires have no concept of jet engines, high altitude physiology, and “professionalism”. And the new hires are not paid for this time, but are required to attend. ???

2. Heard they actually do not pay during the travel day and the first 5-6 days of training. Even though the MESA web site says otherwise, and MESA makes new hires “accept” the offer (thus forming the contract), when they arrive the new hires are told their “hire date” is actually about a week off. The reason being told is delays in HR, drug testing, etc. ???

Any truth to this ???
Are you talking about the ATP/CTP class? That occurs after the drug test, your Indoc class, and you are paid during it.

You are hearing a bunch of false information. You are paid the moment you pass your drug test (as mentioned above) and start Indoc. ATP/CTP follows Indoc if you need to pass your ATP written.

So, you are not paid for your initial travel day, the day you take the drug test, and usually the next day - usually 3 days not being paid. Your sources are a bunch of trolls or recruiters that work for other regionals.
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Old 01-15-2018 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Are you talking about the ATP/CTP class? That occurs after the drug test, your Indoc class, and you are paid during it.

You are hearing a bunch of false information. You are paid the moment you pass your drug test (as mentioned above) and start Indoc. ATP/CTP follows Indoc if you need to pass your ATP written.

So, you are not paid for your initial travel day, the day you take the drug test, and usually the next day - usually 3 days not being paid. Your sources are a bunch of trolls or recruiters that work for other regionals.
This is 100% correct. Your source for that information is 100% wrong. In fact of all the airline employees at that CTP course we were the only ones being paid and having a seniority number there. Everyone else hadn’t been hired yet.
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Old 01-15-2018 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ag89
Thanks for the explanation
I was told Republic likes picking up the Mesa flying because they get to charge a premium. Apparently we are running out of extra aircraft for the demand. They are pushing for the aircraft now. Take it for what it’s worth.
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Old 01-15-2018 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer
I was told Republic likes picking up the Mesa flying because they get to charge a premium. Apparently we are running out of extra aircraft for the demand. They are pushing for the aircraft now. Take it for what it’s worth.
Republic pilots told me the same. Except Republic pilots earn straight time when flying the additional and Republic pockets the premium.

United certainly could, within the CBA agreement, take Ejets back or cancel flying. However, the extra planes we got last year were ones that Republic couldn’t handle. And, we bought the Ejets so United would have to take the older ones back that they own.

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Old 01-23-2018 | 02:17 PM
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How long is the ATP/CTP course? Is it also in Phoenix? I live in phoenix and have a family. What are the chances that I would land PHX base right out of ground or IOE. If I didn't get PHX right away how long would it take? Thank you...[/
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Old 01-25-2018 | 05:11 AM
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The last few classes were sent to CAE in Dallas TX to complete the ATP/CPT course. It was a 10 day deal.
When they return to Phoenix they are put in the next systems class for their selected airplane.
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Old 02-11-2018 | 09:45 AM
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is Mesa filling class on the CRJ side? How many applicants are they getting pre class?
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