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20sx 05-09-2018 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Santos Dumont (Post 2589818)
This is not about me. This is about telling people that are considering coming to Mesa that we do junior assign here. A lot of pilots here at Mesa think that because the contract says "junior available" they can always turn down a JA by simply saying "I'm not available," and that the UJA (or UJR??) code means nothing. I personally think it's a naive way of thinking. Do you really think that's how the company thinks it is supposed to work? Then why they even bothered to put junior assignment language in the contract? And what exactly a "placeholder" is? Why do you think they want to track down how many times you have refused to be junior assigned?

Now, in four years I have only been officially junior assigned two or three times. All while on reserve. So it's not something that happens often, but it happens. It's in our contract.

ALPA sent out an email talking about PRIA 7 months ago and they mention that in addition to the usual stuff...

"Some pilots' personnel files may contain nonstandard documents, such as:

Disciplinary letters
Reliability letters
Training Review Board letters"

I believe that too many UJA/UJR (however its called) could potentially get you a disciplinary or a reliability letter. And remember, if the company is really desperate and a pilot is being a jerk, they can easily get back at you and turn an UJR into an UFW. It's as easy as saying, "you seem pretty available to us (no GLD, no SIC, and no FAT, and we are talking to you), you have been notified of additional flying, be there :)."

Done.

I know you’re done with this, but...

I’ve personally asked the chief pilot (Alvin) about UJA’s, he doesn’t care. It’s the UFWs that are the problem. UJAs don’t get turned into UFWs.

However, after saying all that, word out there is they are starting to have a problem with refusing junior assignments. Times are a changing....

Out Of Trim 05-09-2018 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Santos Dumont (Post 2589520)
If it was something TRULY important why didn't you bid for it? After two years with the company you certainly could get that day off, even if you needed to bid reserve.

If you read my post, our opinion of the union is the same. Most union guys tend to side with the company on this. If they (Crew Tracking) are talking to you, and you are not protected by a golden day, you are not sick, and you are not fatigued, then you are the junior available. It doesn't matter how good of an employee you are.

Of course I bid for it off. Did that matter? No. Do you always get exactly what you bid for even with seniority. No. Does it often happen that the few times per year when it matters most for a particular day off is exactly when you get hosed on your award? Yes. Is there anyone in Mesa with the ability to change the award that gives a turd? No.

175drvr 05-09-2018 03:51 PM

2-6-C

Mesa cannot furnish disciplinary records unless it directly relates to the pilots flying.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/pria/requesting/media/pria_air_carrier_request_procedures.doc

PhantomHawk 05-09-2018 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by 175drvr (Post 2590286)
2-6-C

Mesa cannot furnish disciplinary records unless it directly relates to the pilots flying.

If you want admission to the CPP.... You’re going to sign a document allowing them full access to your discipline and attendance record, for 2 years retroactive. Caveat.....I’m basing that off of XJT’s program, but I highly doubt the conditions are going to be different. Do what you want.....but if you are senior enough to anticipate going to UAL in the next 2 years......your tune may change.

You are correct, according to PRIA they don’t have to furnish attendance and discipline records. However, signing that document I referenced is a prerequisite to being in the CPP.

calmwinds 05-09-2018 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by 175drvr (Post 2590286)
2-6-C

Mesa cannot furnish disciplinary records unless it directly relates to the pilots flying.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/pria/requesting/media/pria_air_carrier_request_procedures.doc

That is not what the CPP program says. It says that United will have full access to your records at Mesa —- if a pilot signs up for the program.

Skyler02 05-10-2018 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2589240)
Those codes will become VERY meaningful to the few of you who will qualify for the CPP. That program is chock full of things that will get you removed from it.

How familiar are you with the CPP and the success rate?

Do you know how far back in attendance records they go? And what is considered “acceptable”?

Thanks.

Skyler02 05-10-2018 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Santos Dumont (Post 2589520)
If it was something TRULY important why didn't you bid for it? After two years with the company you certainly could get that day off, even if you needed to bid reserve.

To be clear, this is not the case - being able to bid for a day you NEED off. It doesn’t matter how senior you are. In this unstacking environment, you have a very very low chance of getting a day off that you need and bid for.

Since the reserves are in the negative, you can’t drop, swap, or trade. You get what you get.

That is the reason sick calls have gone up so much. If you have something you have to be at, basically your only option is a sick call.

The majority of employees are ethical enough to avoid a sick call unless they are truly sick. However, it is the ONLY way to get a day off, then that’s the only option. And that is where we are today.

calmwinds 05-10-2018 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2590605)
To be clear, this is not the case - being able to bid for a day you NEED off. It doesn’t matter how senior you are. In this unstacking environment, you have a very very low chance of getting a day off that you need and bid for.

Since the reserves are in the negative, you can’t drop, swap, or trade. You get what you get.

That is the reason sick calls have gone up so much. If you have something you have to be at, basically your only option is a sick call.

The majority of employees are ethical enough to avoid a sick call unless they are truly sick. However, it is the ONLY way to get a day off on reserve, then that’s the only option. And that is where we are today.

I bid reserve for the days I need off and get them, when needed. And, if I couldn’t get the days off, I would tell PBS to give me a line. You may need a refresher in PBS.

PhantomHawk 05-10-2018 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2590599)
How familiar are you with the CPP and the success rate?

Do you know how far back in attendance records they go? And what is considered “acceptable”?

Thanks.

I’m only familiar with XJT’s program. It seems logical that Mesa’s will be the same except for the percentage of new hires that ual fills from Mesa. That might even be the same, too. As for details, send me a PM and I’ll reply when I have some more time.

The MAIN POINT of what I’m saying is.....a cavalier attitude towards reliability may very well cost you the dream job even though you think you have “rights”.

Skyler02 05-10-2018 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2590651)
I bid reserve for the days I need off and get them, when needed. And, if I couldn’t get the days off, I would tell PBS to give me a line. You may need a refresher in PBS.

Perhaps you’re not being unstacked. Many, many of us are. YMMV


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