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P Owed Captain 09-12-2018 06:52 AM

WTH is with sitting around BMI in Oct??
 
Why does the company now want us to waste our time sitting around BMI for a day and a half in quite a few commutable trips in October?? They gripe about needing pilots to fly these planes, and then they want us to sit around? What's so great about BMI that I'd want to sit around there for so long?

P Owed Captain 09-12-2018 07:00 AM

As long as I'm griping, I may as well throw in how the company likes to screw you on your last day when you actually get a trip that ends early for once in a blue moon, and then they tack on a quick turn to make you get home later! :mad:

deltajuliet 09-12-2018 08:18 AM

Junior available, not junior assignment. You never have to accept additional flying outside your footprint.

And worse places to hang out than BMI.

bnkangle 09-12-2018 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by P Owed Captain (Post 2672838)
As long as I'm griping, I may as well throw in how the company likes to screw you on your last day when you actually get a trip that ends early for once in a blue moon, and then they tack on a quick turn to make you get home later! :mad:

Yes, this is by design. Ever notice 3-4 hour sits in base??

MagPBS 09-12-2018 10:26 AM

This one took me all of 5 seconds and a visit to AA.com.

There are 8 pairings that have 24+ overnights in BMI.
4 start on Friday, 4 start on Tuesday.

Go to AA.com and look up flights from BMI to DFW on Saturday's and Wednesday's in October.

Guess what you'll find. There's only 1 flight those days. Total. Nothing for you to come out on legally.

I really wish people would stop black helicoptering everything. There's real legitimate reasons for why most of what happens happens. And it's not to screw over the crews.

Brody 09-12-2018 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by MagPBS (Post 2673037)
This one took me all of 5 seconds and a visit to AA.com.

There are 8 pairings that have 24+ overnights in BMI.
4 start on Friday, 4 start on Tuesday.

Go to AA.com and look up flights from BMI to DFW on Saturday's and Wednesday's in October.

Guess what you'll find. There's only 1 flight those days. Total. Nothing for you to come out on legally.

I really wish people would stop black helicoptering everything. There's real legitimate reasons for why most of what happens happens. And it's not to screw over the crews.


Then why such a brutal contract - after years of negotiations? Where the starting F/O pay actually decreases?

It's not black helicopter-ing . . . it's that deer-in-the-headlights look when your 'union' just recommended voting 'yes' on a contract that's the laughing stock of the Regional industry.

We're jaded and angry because the only thing our MEC seems to get excited about it making sure our 'union' dues are extracted from our paychecks in a timely manner.

After that - 'meh . . .'

I've been in this industry for a long time - and have seen a lot of things. I can honestly say I haven't seen anything that comes close to how weak our MEC is. Your results (or lack thereof) tend to breed mistrust and suspicion among the rank-and-file.

For Christ's sake, we're flying American and United's passengers for peanut wages, little-or-no medical/dental benefits, and crappy schedules. And you expect us to accept this a NORMAL???

Don't throw this in OUR laps . . . our MEC put us here. If you expect us to be quiet about it, you're delusional.

For everyone's sake . . . grow a pair!!

calmwinds 09-12-2018 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Brody (Post 2673113)
Then why such a brutal contract - after years of negotiations? Where the starting F/O pay actually decreases?

It's not black helicopter-ing . . . it's that deer-in-the-headlights look when your 'union' just recommended voting 'yes' on a contract that's the laughing stock of the Regional industry.

We're jaded and angry because the only thing our MEC seems to get excited about it making sure our 'union' dues are extracted from our paychecks in a timely manner.

After that - 'meh . . .'

I've been in this industry for a long time - and have seen a lot of things. I can honestly say I haven't seen anything that comes close to how weak our MEC is. Your results (or lack thereof) tend to breed mistrust and suspicion among the rank-and-file.

For Christ's sake, we're flying American and United's passengers for peanut wages, little-or-no medical/dental benefits, and crappy schedules. And you expect us to accept this a NORMAL???

Don't throw this in OUR laps . . . our MEC put us here. If you expect us to be quiet about it, you're delusional.

For everyone's sake . . . grow a pair!!

Do you really believe our FO pay rates going down is reality? Even the latest Xjet contract is much better than ours.

The FO pay going down was all done so JO could present a pro forma in the prospectus that is overly optimistic, and he can point at the pilot contract for justification. If something happens to Mesa and our stock tanks, the stockholder lawsuits will encompass both management and the ALPA negotiators.

20sx 09-12-2018 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Brody (Post 2673113)
Then why such a brutal contract - after years of negotiations? Where the starting F/O pay actually decreases?

It's not black helicopter-ing . . . it's that deer-in-the-headlights look when your 'union' just recommended voting 'yes' on a contract that's the laughing stock of the Regional industry.

We're jaded and angry because the only thing our MEC seems to get excited about it making sure our 'union' dues are extracted from our paychecks in a timely manner.

After that - 'meh . . .'

I've been in this industry for a long time - and have seen a lot of things. I can honestly say I haven't seen anything that comes close to how weak our MEC is. Your results (or lack thereof) tend to breed mistrust and suspicion among the rank-and-file.

For Christ's sake, we're flying American and United's passengers for peanut wages, little-or-no medical/dental benefits, and crappy schedules. And you expect us to accept this a NORMAL???

Don't throw this in OUR laps . . . our MEC put us here. If you expect us to be quiet about it, you're delusional.

For everyone's sake . . . grow a pair!!

Magpbs was commenting on the schedule. You took it a whole new direction making it about the contract. He had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. He’s not on the MEC.

P Owed Captain 09-13-2018 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by MagPBS (Post 2673037)
There are 8 pairings that have 24+ overnights in BMI.
4 start on Friday, 4 start on Tuesday.


Guess what you'll find. There's only 1 flight those days. Total. Nothing for you to come out on legally.

Sounds like these people in BMI don't need our service, then. They should drive a little bit and go out of another airport and stop wasting our time.

DarkSideMoon 09-13-2018 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by P Owed Captain (Post 2673495)
Sounds like these people in BMI don't need our service, then. They should drive a little bit and go out of another airport and stop wasting our time.

You know that’s not how any of this works right? You aren’t providing service. American is. You gave up the right to pick and choose where you fly and how long you stay there when you agreed to a FFD agreement with them.


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