Training and hotels
#32
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Not sure if you understand. Not everyone wants to be gone for 17 days in a row, deal with multiple time zones / fatigue issues, multiple polar crossing per month with heightened radiation exposures, and mostly night flying.
Hotels @ MESA are mostly fine. It is what it is.
Hotels @ MESA are mostly fine. It is what it is.
#33
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 504
I didn't specify schedules or even mentioned in that particular post who I work for. There's enough choices out there for you to find a good fit. And I can't really say how much of my flying is day or night. On many flights I witness the sun setting or rising twice, or experience a six hour long sunset depending which way I am going.
No comment.
Pick your poison.
#34
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
LOL . . . do I really need to?
The hotels, with the exception of a select few - are sub-par in every way. Overall location, cleanliness, access to food, workout facilities - I could go on and on.
Most companies I'm familiar with don't do this to their crews. Most companies I'm familiar with don't treat their pilots like Mesa chooses to - with contempt. And that's from the top down.
Plenty of good people at Mesa - no doubt about it. But that doesn't make up for the nonstop hostile atmosphere. Other regionals are bad - but they're not this bad.
Every time one of us (like you) say it's 'good enough' - it just lowers the bar.
And every time one of us chooses to stay at Mesa for a career because of selfish reasons - we lower the bar even further.
Since the beginning of my flying career, I've been told that pilots tend to eat their young. Nowhere is this more true (in my opinion, anyway) than at Mesa. Zero understanding of - or interest in - commercial airline labor/management relations. Not only was I there while some of the more recent stuff took place, I have read many, many books on this subject. I've met a few of the major players - and had the opportunity to pick their brain. For whatever my opinion is worth here, we are just giving away nearly everything and turning this job into a low-wage blue-collar job. When I say 'we,' I also include our Barbie & Ken version of ALPA.
The money is there - even at the regionals. Passengers and cargo have to be moved. If we stand our ground, we'll win. But the other side knows we won't stand our ground - that we'll cave.
We always do
The hotels, with the exception of a select few - are sub-par in every way. Overall location, cleanliness, access to food, workout facilities - I could go on and on.
Most companies I'm familiar with don't do this to their crews. Most companies I'm familiar with don't treat their pilots like Mesa chooses to - with contempt. And that's from the top down.
Plenty of good people at Mesa - no doubt about it. But that doesn't make up for the nonstop hostile atmosphere. Other regionals are bad - but they're not this bad.
Every time one of us (like you) say it's 'good enough' - it just lowers the bar.
And every time one of us chooses to stay at Mesa for a career because of selfish reasons - we lower the bar even further.
Since the beginning of my flying career, I've been told that pilots tend to eat their young. Nowhere is this more true (in my opinion, anyway) than at Mesa. Zero understanding of - or interest in - commercial airline labor/management relations. Not only was I there while some of the more recent stuff took place, I have read many, many books on this subject. I've met a few of the major players - and had the opportunity to pick their brain. For whatever my opinion is worth here, we are just giving away nearly everything and turning this job into a low-wage blue-collar job. When I say 'we,' I also include our Barbie & Ken version of ALPA.
The money is there - even at the regionals. Passengers and cargo have to be moved. If we stand our ground, we'll win. But the other side knows we won't stand our ground - that we'll cave.
We always do
#35
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 167
LOL . . . do I really need to?
The hotels, with the exception of a select few - are sub-par in every way. Overall location, cleanliness, access to food, workout facilities - I could go on and on.
Most companies I'm familiar with don't do this to their crews. Most companies I'm familiar with don't treat their pilots like Mesa chooses to - with contempt. And that's from the top down.
Plenty of good people at Mesa - no doubt about it. But that doesn't make up for the nonstop hostile atmosphere. Other regionals are bad - but they're not this bad.
Every time one of us (like you) say it's 'good enough' - it just lowers the bar.
And every time one of us chooses to stay at Mesa for a career because of selfish reasons - we lower the bar even further.
Since the beginning of my flying career, I've been told that pilots tend to eat their young. Nowhere is this more true (in my opinion, anyway) than at Mesa. Zero understanding of - or interest in - commercial airline labor/management relations. Not only was I there while some of the more recent stuff took place, I have read many, many books on this subject. I've met a few of the major players - and had the opportunity to pick their brain. For whatever my opinion is worth here, we are just giving away nearly everything and turning this job into a low-wage blue-collar job. When I say 'we,' I also include our Barbie & Ken version of ALPA.
The money is there - even at the regionals. Passengers and cargo have to be moved. If we stand our ground, we'll win. But the other side knows we won't stand our ground - that we'll cave.
We always do
The hotels, with the exception of a select few - are sub-par in every way. Overall location, cleanliness, access to food, workout facilities - I could go on and on.
Most companies I'm familiar with don't do this to their crews. Most companies I'm familiar with don't treat their pilots like Mesa chooses to - with contempt. And that's from the top down.
Plenty of good people at Mesa - no doubt about it. But that doesn't make up for the nonstop hostile atmosphere. Other regionals are bad - but they're not this bad.
Every time one of us (like you) say it's 'good enough' - it just lowers the bar.
And every time one of us chooses to stay at Mesa for a career because of selfish reasons - we lower the bar even further.
Since the beginning of my flying career, I've been told that pilots tend to eat their young. Nowhere is this more true (in my opinion, anyway) than at Mesa. Zero understanding of - or interest in - commercial airline labor/management relations. Not only was I there while some of the more recent stuff took place, I have read many, many books on this subject. I've met a few of the major players - and had the opportunity to pick their brain. For whatever my opinion is worth here, we are just giving away nearly everything and turning this job into a low-wage blue-collar job. When I say 'we,' I also include our Barbie & Ken version of ALPA.
The money is there - even at the regionals. Passengers and cargo have to be moved. If we stand our ground, we'll win. But the other side knows we won't stand our ground - that we'll cave.
We always do
#36
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
Thanks, but we don't have a union.
We have a group of individuals who forcibly take money from our paychecks because they legally can. And that's the ONLY thing they fight for.
If we had a union I'd be happy to help
We have a group of individuals who forcibly take money from our paychecks because they legally can. And that's the ONLY thing they fight for.
If we had a union I'd be happy to help
#37
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 504
LOL . . . do I really need to?
The hotels, with the exception of a select few - are sub-par in every way. Overall location, cleanliness, access to food, workout facilities - I could go on and on.
Most companies I'm familiar with don't do this to their crews. Most companies I'm familiar with don't treat their pilots like Mesa chooses to - with contempt. And that's from the top down.
Plenty of good people at Mesa - no doubt about it. But that doesn't make up for the nonstop hostile atmosphere. Other regionals are bad - but they're not this bad.
Every time one of us (like you) say it's 'good enough' - it just lowers the bar.
And every time one of us chooses to stay at Mesa for a career because of selfish reasons - we lower the bar even further.
Since the beginning of my flying career, I've been told that pilots tend to eat their young. Nowhere is this more true (in my opinion, anyway) than at Mesa. Zero understanding of - or interest in - commercial airline labor/management relations. Not only was I there while some of the more recent stuff took place, I have read many, many books on this subject. I've met a few of the major players - and had the opportunity to pick their brain. For whatever my opinion is worth here, we are just giving away nearly everything and turning this job into a low-wage blue-collar job. When I say 'we,' I also include our Barbie & Ken version of ALPA.
The money is there - even at the regionals. Passengers and cargo have to be moved. If we stand our ground, we'll win. But the other side knows we won't stand our ground - that we'll cave.
We always do
The hotels, with the exception of a select few - are sub-par in every way. Overall location, cleanliness, access to food, workout facilities - I could go on and on.
Most companies I'm familiar with don't do this to their crews. Most companies I'm familiar with don't treat their pilots like Mesa chooses to - with contempt. And that's from the top down.
Plenty of good people at Mesa - no doubt about it. But that doesn't make up for the nonstop hostile atmosphere. Other regionals are bad - but they're not this bad.
Every time one of us (like you) say it's 'good enough' - it just lowers the bar.
And every time one of us chooses to stay at Mesa for a career because of selfish reasons - we lower the bar even further.
Since the beginning of my flying career, I've been told that pilots tend to eat their young. Nowhere is this more true (in my opinion, anyway) than at Mesa. Zero understanding of - or interest in - commercial airline labor/management relations. Not only was I there while some of the more recent stuff took place, I have read many, many books on this subject. I've met a few of the major players - and had the opportunity to pick their brain. For whatever my opinion is worth here, we are just giving away nearly everything and turning this job into a low-wage blue-collar job. When I say 'we,' I also include our Barbie & Ken version of ALPA.
The money is there - even at the regionals. Passengers and cargo have to be moved. If we stand our ground, we'll win. But the other side knows we won't stand our ground - that we'll cave.
We always do
I never said that MESA puts us in plush hotels. I am the first one to make an API report for Dumps that we used to stay in, or still use.
However, my seniority allows me to bid for trips with the nicer hotels/layovers.
Hilton, Marriot, and IHG Properties, even the occasional Sheraton. No, nothing luxurious. Yet, I am having a hard time finding a reason to fill out an API report.
Unfortunately, lots of crews prefer a unhealthy free breakfast over a fancy room where nothing is free.
I surely hope that you, along with your entire crew, fill out those API forms, at each and every unhappy places that MESA forces you to stay in.
I takes less than 3 minutes of your precious time for each report.
#38
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 105
You worked at WheelsUP, didn't you? Please describe the hotels there.
I never said that MESA puts us in plush hotels. I am the first one to make an API report for Dumps that we used to stay in, or still use.
However, my seniority allows me to bid for trips with the nicer hotels/layovers.
Hilton, Marriot, and IHG Properties, even the occasional Sheraton. No, nothing luxurious. Yet, I am having a hard time finding a reason to fill out an API report.
Unfortunately, lots of crews prefer a unhealthy free breakfast over a fancy room where nothing is free.
I surely hope that you, along with your entire crew, fill out those API forms, at each and every unhappy places that MESA forces you to stay in.
I takes less than 3 minutes of your precious time for each report.
I never said that MESA puts us in plush hotels. I am the first one to make an API report for Dumps that we used to stay in, or still use.
However, my seniority allows me to bid for trips with the nicer hotels/layovers.
Hilton, Marriot, and IHG Properties, even the occasional Sheraton. No, nothing luxurious. Yet, I am having a hard time finding a reason to fill out an API report.
Unfortunately, lots of crews prefer a unhealthy free breakfast over a fancy room where nothing is free.
I surely hope that you, along with your entire crew, fill out those API forms, at each and every unhappy places that MESA forces you to stay in.
I takes less than 3 minutes of your precious time for each report.
Is there a point in there somewhere?
Or just a rant, telling us how senior your are . . . and how the rest of us mere mortals should be filling out API's?
Maybe - just maybe - the company shouldn't be putting us in these dives in the first place. Seems kinda silly to wait for us to fill out the proper form before they put us in decent hotels, when they could have done it to begin with.
#39
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,145
THAT'S your response?
Is there a point in there somewhere?
Or just a rant, telling us how senior your are . . . and how the rest of us mere mortals should be filling out API's?
Maybe - just maybe - the company shouldn't be putting us in these dives in the first place. Seems kinda silly to wait for us to fill out the proper form before they put us in decent hotels, when they could have done it to begin with.
Is there a point in there somewhere?
Or just a rant, telling us how senior your are . . . and how the rest of us mere mortals should be filling out API's?
Maybe - just maybe - the company shouldn't be putting us in these dives in the first place. Seems kinda silly to wait for us to fill out the proper form before they put us in decent hotels, when they could have done it to begin with.
Pretty pathetic. We all know we work for a cheap company, but our union is fangless despite a contract.
#40
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 504
THAT'S your response?
Is there a point in there somewhere?
Or just a rant, telling us how senior your are . . . and how the rest of us mere mortals should be filling out API's?
Maybe - just maybe - the company shouldn't be putting us in these dives in the first place. Seems kinda silly to wait for us to fill out the proper form before they put us in decent hotels, when they could have done it to begin with.
Is there a point in there somewhere?
Or just a rant, telling us how senior your are . . . and how the rest of us mere mortals should be filling out API's?
Maybe - just maybe - the company shouldn't be putting us in these dives in the first place. Seems kinda silly to wait for us to fill out the proper form before they put us in decent hotels, when they could have done it to begin with.
You probably one of those that complain all the time, but stay in some red roof hotel at the airport on your commute. In fact, I see you complain all over the forum.
My point is that hotels are OK for the most part.
If you don't like it, quit. Simple as that.
Last edited by mjpilot; 02-15-2019 at 02:51 PM.
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