Originally Posted by 20sx

Southern air rates for captains. Something considerably less for FOs.

That’s what he’ll offer, but it’s up to us to demand more.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

I dont think captains will be offered that, but i agree with the fo forecast

Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Yup. I'm at K4 and have a CJO with a legacy. It isn't an easy decision. Do I take the slightly higher pay and the retirement contribution (which may come soon to K4 anyway), or door #2, not ever having to worry about a commute again?

Originally Posted by pangolin

There will be nothing to the rates that would cause cannibalization of the current staff which is currently inadequate. This is an opportunity to negotiate higher rates on the CRJ and EJET side in ADDITION to the cargo rates - in the interest of pilot retention.

This IS a business. The salaries of the staff - as this is a staffing company - are one of the largest expenses. The more you give there, the less profit there is for the company. So expect the company to keep it as absolutely low as they can in order to maximize profit.

Originally Posted by CanWeGetTheLeft

Serious question: does anyone know what (if any) scope implications there are with bringing the 737’s onboard with regard to the AA and UAL flying?

I’m asking because your statement about this being an opportunity to negotiate higher CRJ/ERJ rates assumes that there will be CRJ/ERJ flying to do after the 737’s are on property.

Originally Posted by gearslinger6

Welcome to the Mesa mentality.....there are some really good guys there but from my short stint I was SHOCKED at how bad the Stockholm syndrome is. Many of these guys have never been anywhere else or failed out of training somewhere else so they don’t know how bad they have it and would gladly screw over everyone in the industry to fly a “mainline” plane for CRJ or EJET rates. They always come back with the same sh*t which is laughable at best ....”oh 300%, oh quick upgrade”.....you guys are so Blind.....these things are not guaranteed in your WEAK contract.

This is an issue for us all because if Mesa guys accept their POS 73s for substandard rates and QOL they once again undermine everyone else and give ammunition to our companies that a group of F*cktard pilots will accept less than what they deserve if you dangle a rotten carrot in front of them.

Originally Posted by Brody

FINALLY - someone who speaks the truth.

Mesa has a CEO who has a criminal history with the SEC - and that's an understatement. He pays his pilots fast food wages. The union is nothing more than an extension of management. While I met some good people there, the Stockholm Syndrome is out of control with the pilot group.

Not to say other regionals have similar problems - but YV definitely lowers the bar for the entire industry.

I still see the 737 cargo rumor as yet another attempt to recruit shiny-metal dreamers who will sign on to work for the same fast food wages they pay the pax-carrying side.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Originally Posted by RandyLahey

How did this thread go so far off the rails, this is a thread about our future and the opportunities we will soon be presented with. I understand the cynicism, but people being flat out rude and lying is not OK, lets get it together boys.

Originally Posted by RandyLahey

How did this thread go so far off the rails, this is a thread about our future and the opportunities we will soon be presented with. I understand the cynicism, but people being flat out rude and lying is not OK, lets get it together boys.

Originally Posted by brigadeaviator

I really don’t understand what all their negativity is trying to accomplish. I think it’s funny that most don’t presently work, or haven’t worked here and are only speculating.