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Old 07-25-2019, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy View Post
That has absolutely nothing to do with it. You’re oblivious to the situation. I think it’s good, with the looming pilot shortage I think integrating 737 as a starting jet is a good idea. I honestly believe Mesa and Jo are on to something here, and it will not only better the advancement of the industry for mainline and new guys, but it will lead to safer operation of mainline aircraft in the future.
Unbelievable. You're gonna have to walk me through this one champ, being the lowest paid 737 operator is good for mainline and new guys becauae why now?
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:12 PM
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Unbelievable. You're gonna have to walk me through this one champ, being the lowest paid 737 operator is good for mainline and new guys becauae why now?
Pretty black and white here, not sure how you’re missing it. Having Mesa operating 737’s will give new guys mainline experience so to speak. They’ll be operating mainline aircraft, much more complex than any RJ, giving them the upper hand as skilled pilots. This in turn will benefit Mainline carriers by allowing them to hire experienced 737 pilots, reducing training costs for repeat lessons or wash outs. With more hours the more experience these pilots will have making them safer pilots before going to fly passengers. I would like to see more carriers doing this. Safe to say with the upcoming pilot shortage Mesa is keeping the whole industry in mind by being proactive rather than reactive.

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Old 07-25-2019, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy View Post
Pretty black and white here, not sure how you’re missing it. Having Mesa operating 737’s will give new guys mainline experience so to speak. They’ll be operating mainline aircraft, much more complex than any RJ, giving them the upper hand as skilled pilots. This in turn will benefit Mainline carriers by allowing them to hire experienced 737 pilots, reducing training costs for repeat lessons or wash outs. With more hours the more experience these pilots will have making them safer pilots before going to fly passengers. I would like to see more carriers doing this. Safe to say with the upcoming pilot shortage Mesa is keeping the whole industry in mind by being proactive rather than reactive.
Oh silly me! Just put the 737s at Mesa to save the industry! How didn't anyone ever think of this brilliant idea??!?

I would like to personally thank JO for this noble venture on behalf of the industry. We are all indebted to a man of such virtue.
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:39 PM
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Oh silly me! Just put the 737s at Mesa to save the industry! How didn't anyone ever think of this brilliant idea??!?

I would like to personally thank JO for this noble venture on behalf of the industry. We are all indebted to a man of such virtue.
Not so much put 737’s at only Mesa, they should be implemented industry wide at the regional level. If a regional was to have a subfleet off mainline aircraft it would allow the regional to step up and help out if mainline needed it due to cancellations. While at the same time allowing regional guys to fly some heavier metal and gain experience. Not sure how it would be decided who would fly it, but the experience alone would make up for any monetary loss.
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:45 PM
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Not so much put 737’s at only Mesa, they should be implemented industry wide at the regional level. If a regional was to have a subfleet off mainline aircraft it would allow the regional to step up and help out if mainline needed it due to cancellations. While at the same time allowing regional guys to fly some heavier metal and gain experience. Not sure how it would be decided who would fly it, but the experience alone would make up for any monetary loss.
Splendid! Why did I limit the scope of this idea to only Mesa when ALL airlines can have a subcontractor operating their same fleet type for depressed wages! What a grand idea! Surely nothing bad could come of that!

It would be so safe too! Just throw a bunch of CFIs in a 737 and BAM! industry saved!
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:52 PM
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Splendid! Why did I limit the scope of this idea to only Mesa when ALL airlines can have a subcontractor operating their same fleet type for depressed wages! What a grand idea! Surely nothing bad could come of that!

It would be so safe too! Just throw a bunch of CFIs in a 737 and BAM! industry saved!
He must be a troll there is no way any professional pilot, with any experience can truly believe Mesa flying 737s for a fraction of the salary is anyway a positive thing.
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Splendid! Why did I limit the scope of this idea to only Mesa when ALL airlines can have a subcontractor operating their same fleet type for depressed wages! What a grand idea! Surely nothing bad could come of that!

It would be so safe too! Just throw a bunch of CFIs in a 737 and BAM! industry saved!
It has nothing to do with wages. It’s about setting companies up for success and looking past FFD airlines. Only so much can be made, so stepping out of the box will open the door to more success. It truly is an innovative idea that I have to give credit for. And I guarantee it will be adapted. And no one said any thing about throwing CFI’s in a 737. Certain guidelines would have to be set forth on who would fly them, such as completing the ATP/CTP course in a 737 simulator. That will allow potential new hires to have an understanding, and already have there feet wet before in house training begins.
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It has nothing to do with wages. It’s about setting companies up for success and looking past FFD airlines. Only so much can be made, so stepping out of the box will open the door to more success. It truly is an innovative idea that I have to give credit for. And I guarantee it will be adapted. And no one said any thing about throwing CFI’s in a 737. Certain guidelines would have to be set forth on who would fly them, such as completing the ATP/CTP course in a 737 simulator. That will allow potential new hires to have an understanding, and already have there feet wet before in house training begins.
Are you drunk? Or stupid?
Please tell me it's the first one.

Ah, just saw the ATP/CTP course comment, you're trolling. Sorry I was slow...
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Are you drunk? Or stupid?
Please tell me it's the first one.

Ah, just saw the ATP/CTP course comment, you're trolling. Sorry I was slow...
I was just trying to convey that new hires will need some experience if awarded that aircraft. A jet is a jet, if that course works for the ERJ and CRJ it is fine for anything else. Ryanair hires into their 737’s at as little as 250 hours.
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I was just trying to convey that new hires will need some experience if awarded that aircraft. A jet is a jet, if that course works for the ERJ and CRJ it is fine for anything else. Ryanair hires into their 737’s at as little as 250 hours.
As long as the pay isn't cutting below other carriers and trying to entice fresh guy 1500 hour guys like CFI's who see a big shiny jet and don't care about the pay or base then it's not so bad. But, knowing this companies history.. If they come up to me and said hey we have these 73's we need staffed. We will pay for your type rating but you'll get crap pay with crap hours, long nights, and the only benefit is you're flying a 73! Yeah, I'll pass on that one.
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