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Old 04-02-2020, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot View Post
Damn shame the company already furloughed pilots and is therefore in violation of the bailout funds requirements.
I think the furloughs happened before the bailout bill was signed. It’s not clear if Mesa will still qualify for the free money. It would be really useful to hear from ALPA on this issue. So far they haven’t even acknowledged that furloughs have happened.
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Old 04-02-2020, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot View Post
Damn shame the company already furloughed pilots and is therefore in violation of the bailout funds requirements.
Not necessarily accurate. The company can furlough a max of 10% of employees and still be eligible. Keep in mind that is not just pilots but total employees. Say we have 3,500 total employees the company can furlough 10% of that number and still qualify.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:05 PM
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No offense, but when I read the thread title I had this visual of a Mesa jet taking off against the background of nuclear explosions and a slogan "Apply today, we will be the last ones flying".
Random thought of the day, carry on.
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by brigadeaviator View Post
Not necessarily accurate. The company can furlough a max of 10% of employees and still be eligible. Keep in mind that is not just pilots but total employees. Say we have 3,500 total employees the company can furlough 10% of that number and still qualify.
The 10% allowance is for the loans, the payroll protection requires no furloughs.
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Old 04-03-2020, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor614
Even if AA and UA reduce the flying the flying. We can do less flying and stay within the scope limits but federal government is still paying you the minimum contracted guarantee...

Some good news for the united side is we don’t have crj 200’s or 145’s on property. Other regionals might take a huge hit soon.

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Old 04-03-2020, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor614 View Post
I am not sure, lot of this is grey area, our union does know that the money received is supposed to be allocated to our minimum guarantee rate for us and the FA’s. The ALPA national rep that called me from DC did say Mesa can ask us to take less. Why would my union ask me to take a cut knowing full well Uncle Sam has guaranteed my min till September. The only way I would do that is if the Union said no furloughs or lay-offs for an extended period of time. Meaning Mesa would try to stretch the funds given to us for more months like an extra 6 or something until the market can fully recover. Write your local senators and congressmen and ALPA National to find out some of the details and intricacies of this bill. Things are still being mapped out. I just wanted to be ahead of the game just in case our wonderful union or Mesa management dilutes the real information. So to answer your question it sounds like to “ME” they can pocket the money or stretch it for payroll purposes.
I know this might stir the pot but with the flying reduction by our partners it’s going to be next to impossible to create efficient pairings that even come close to 76 hour lines. The company can last longer if we accept reduced credit lines.

I’m not Advocating either way. Just stating some reality.
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the company can last longer if we accept reduced credit lines.
Yeah no. .
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:08 AM
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When you become financially unstable, what do you do? You assess the situation. You have to figure out a way to cover your bills, expenditures and any other responsibilities you may have financially. Normal people go to their savings, HELOCS, loans or any other assets you may have. Our airlines as far as payroll does not have to touch their assets, bank accounts, or savings whatever you want to call it for “payroll”. As far as the loans they (Airlines) may take out to cover other expenses like MX, airport fees and other items outside of payroll. Delta for example gets to sit on their 64 billion dollars in the bank. The airlines bean counter or any bean counter for that fact will try to protect that. The money in the bank. Why I say Mesa is in good positions let me explain a little. If “anyone” thinks this bailout is about saving jobs they have been misdirected by the magician. This bailout was never about jobs. It is about how these businesses will recoup these losses in these next two maybe three fiscal quarters. October 1, 2020 there will be layoffs and furloughs. I hope I’m wrong. Regionals for “now” are not for now going away. I know mainline wishes it would and I do to; to some degree but for now they are not. Mesa like Skywest we own a good portion of our aircraft. UA and AA don’t have to pay our leases on a lot of our aircraft, or leases for our buildings like some of the wholly owned does. I’m not saying we won’t furlough or get smaller. We probably will who knows. We are not going bye bye. Activities in certain departments here starting to ramp up to my surprise. Recruiting to give an example are starting Interviews again. I don’t know why or how. They know something we don’t know I guess. For the foreseeable future regionals are needed, it’s just a matter of who will be around after all this.
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Old 04-04-2020, 08:09 AM
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I’m seeing the same thing on every airline board, everybody is cheering like they won a battle with this government grant money. Let me explain what is happening, Uncle Sam is paying our min guarantee until September 30th, then come October 1st, when airlines have dwindled their own cash down to nothing, we are going to have one of the biggest furlough events in airline history. I’m glad we are getting 6 months of pay out of this, but let’s be honest about it. The axe will drop come October 1st. All this does is gives them time to draft the furlough lists and determine what percentage of the company they still need.

Also Mesa is not in a good spot, NO regional or airline is in a good spot. Who is Mesa going to fly for when United and/or AA goes bankrupt? All regionals are just contractors, when big daddy goes broke the flying stops.
The big 3 are not going broke
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Old 04-04-2020, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor614 View Post
The big 3 are not going broke
That is wholly inaccurate. They are not broke right now but they are hemorrhaging money. Their jugular has been cut, and this bailout has not staunched the bleeding at all, but has merely provided more blood to bleed out. So yes they are not broke, but they are going broke extremely quickly
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