To be fair to Mesa pilots, they were told the company was going to shut down if they didn't accept the contract. And with a 5 cent stock, it seemed like it. Mesa is not exactly Fedex, I don't think the industry expected much out of them. This stuff is just the tip of the iceberg and they are in serious trouble and look for more of this stuff from management. But if the rats start to abandon ship as posted by Skibum, it's over.

No Pdub, u need to read the contract yourself, SAP is gone (it is a product of PBS and is located in it's entirety under that section). Also bidding for training is gone. Now you tell me besides reservists getting more days off tell me specifically what gains (at this point) we made from the last contract? The only changes I see are we can't decline a standing bid and now we electronically check in! Both concessionary.

We were all set to fight for concrete gains last time around and you fought us, we told you this would happened and you refused to listen because at that point you were off probation and you thought you knew best. It is A.M. and the MEC at that time that failed us. Look at A.M.'s latest (and thankfully last) agreement with the company, the reserve LOA. See how that is working out!?

PBS being pulled by the company along with all the gains was entirely predictable and we tried to warn you that this was a hollow contract a year ago! And yet you still defend it by saying "All we will lose is the Scheduled or actual, Line Gar., and CX Pay. Thats it!!" That was the only gain!

First off, its not fair that you know who I am but don't know who you are. Second, I am no fan of A.M and his work at the Negotiating committee. After a comment made about sacrificing the Block or Better grievence for a commuter clause, I lost all faith. Third, no use in crying over spilled milk now. Its time for action, My question to the MAG pilot group, what are you going to do now? Cry or fight? Fourth, SAP is a product of FLICA, not PBS.

The time to fight was when you had a viable company.

Mesa is in the final stages of its death roll. Johnny knows he's milked this cow almost as long as he can and it's ready to flop over. His and Mesa's name is mud in this industry and no major carrier or LLC wants anything to do with this albatross of a corporation. He's already considering what his next cow will be.

As a Mesa pilot, my advice is to plan like your next trip is your last trip and get agressive about rebuilding your career as soon and fast as possible.

When the cow does flop, do you want to be standing next to it, screaming "FIGHT.......FIGHT" ?

Admit it..........it's over, Johnny snookered you and that's that.

The biggest deal breaker for me on the new contract was tieing Block or Better and Line Gurantee to PBS. Had the contract been set up to keep the B and B and Line Gurantee incase either side wanted out-that would have been different. Now it's back to the old system, and things are really going to get ugly. :eek:

I've always wondered if the "majors" would have more respect for Mesa/The MAG if we were rid of the management team.

Sometimes a complete management change can do wonders for a company. That may be the case here. Who knows? The current team sure hasn't done wonders taking the stock from dollars to 12¢ in just a few short years. It would be interesting to know what made that happen... and how much is related to the Go! and China operations.

Well, you can figure Hawai'i alone cost MAG over $100 million between lawsuits and having never turned a profit.

I think Mr. Pdub needs to have a one on one conversation with Mr. Angelo or be met in the parking lot to get a good explanation of what this contract was really about and justify his 'yes' vote. Still got the voting number?

Happy New Year from Mesa management... treating the employee's right.

We had Flica a year or two before PBS, how come SAP didn't come around until PBS if it is indeed not tied to it? Furthermore why is SAP only explained under the PBS section of the contract and nowhere else? It wont matter much anyways because with this rsv LOA they will attempt to run the operation on thinner reserve coverage than we have ever seen. PDub we all saw your posts on this and the Mesa forum (RIP) the other year and remember your views , however I did see something inappropriate to your anonimity on another thread and I must agree with u on one thing, let's try to maintain everyone's privacy.

Now if you want to do something, wipe out the MEC and get A.M. and P.P. out of anything to do with any committee. This was a predictable move by the company, the MEC and the NC allowed it to happen. And alot of us saw it coming before the signatures even dried on the contract.

Section 13 Letter B sentence 2 states : "If PBS is discontinued, scheduled vs. actual pay and line guarantee pay and bidding for training will be discontinued as well"

Thats word for word from CBA.

To my understanding AM and PP have nothing to do with the negotiations anymore. And as to my views from mesahub, if you've had any recent conversation with me, you would know that my views have changed A LOT.

The the ironic thing is that less than 7 days ago this pilot group was screaming to get rid of PBS. Im mad because under the terms in which PBS was cancelled. Trying to leverage PBS against us to settle outstanding grievances is a kick in the nutts.

and Strike: I have no problem talking to Angelou. Whats the count of the eligible those who DIDNT vote? 235 I believe. that's over half the pilots who did vote.