Mesa MEC undercuts STW
 

Heard a rumor that on the regional STW group phone call the Mesa MEC reps told everybody that a B Scale was very much on the table for them under the right conditions.

You Mesa guys might want to straighten out your Mesa ALPA MEC.

Hahaha Shockerrrrrrrrrrrr

You may want to get your facts correct! A good friend of mine is on the MEC there and he laughed at your post.

If you say so. It's no secret though.

Just curious as to what is not a secret? Have you called the MEC reps and asked about this so called rumor? Until you do your due diligence and ask questions its easy to be a key board warrior.

Flame bait and a completely useless topic. It should be locked and deleted.

The STW group were not hosting the call. It was purely an ALPA sanctioned teleconference. It's just coincidental that the STW grassroots effort was started days before the call.

Mesa pilots! You better hold the line on this. If you fail there will be consequences!

PS. I hope the OP is wrong on this and your MEC did the right thing.

What the h*LL does any of this mean? I guarantee most MAG pilots don't know what that means but they do know their MEC is ______aimlessly with items like KCM and $2.00 p/pperiod cost savings.
....ok they're doing something I'm sure. ;~)


This thread is some mega FLAMEbAIt!!!
# Lock it Up#

There is a rumor that Mesa MEC opted to have Skywest and RAH MEC's excluded from the MEC teleconference.

You should be asking if the current leadership at SKW wants to get information and use that against other carriers to grow? Also ask if the current "board" at Skywest supports concessions and cuts to gain more flying?

The truthful answers to those questions will bring light to the situation about this call. That's at least what I am hearing!

What information was being disseminated that Skywest could use to gain business? These were pilots talking with each other how to prevent further erosion of our profession. Management was not privy to the teleconference.

Are you sure about that. From what I read on these forums the EGL MEC is getting bashed for some LOA that allows them to have their payroll paid for by their management. If its true I do not know but it is posted in another thread.

Yet the SKW leadership is not leading a NMB recognized "union" and all of their time off is paid for by management, but no one brings that up and its okay for one group but not the other.

I'm confused so maybe someone can shed some light on this.

You're saying Skywest is going to undercut Mesa?

:oThat there is funny

I'm fairly positive that you carry around a jug of Kool Aid like Uncle Si does with tea.

Funny thing about the interwebs...

Lots of stuff gets "heard" then posted, which sends folks into a tizzy...but almost nothing ever gets substantiated.

What flavor koolaid did u have today?

A nice blue raspberry? ====> :rolleyes:

How quickly you forget! How did SKW get into UsAirways and PHX? Skywest Airlines underbid Dash8 flying from Mesa and placed CRJs into those slots! Do some research and get educated on what Skywest Inc. real plan is!

Yeah but NOT at the expense of pilot wages or the quality of the operation. Mesa had the guest pressing costs and some of the lowest wages. That's called losing business because of bad management not so much undercutting.

Not yet. Wait till the cash reserves run out!

So bidding airplanes at such a cheap rate isn't undercutting?

What portion of the equation do pilots have any control over? I'm on my phone, so can't really pull up both company's 10k reports, but I feel pretty confident in saying Skywest has higher crew costs and possibly higher profit margins than Mesa. That's not an attempt to disparage Mesa pilots, just an assertion that mistrust of Skywest pilots is misplaced. If the conference was some sort of strategic planning session among airline executives, then I could understand the concern, but since it was billed as a step toward pilot unity, excluding another pilot group seems self-serving and short-sighted.

I would be curious as well to see what the crew costs are between SKW and MAG!

Did anyone ask the board of SKW (the SKW Union Leaders) what their intentions are and what they are discussing?

You are confusing two things. Management bids and pilots have no say at what rates they bid on. So if management bids too low and the pilots get paid the same, then that's not the pilots underbidding.

Is there even a remote chance you have any proof whatsoever of your absurd claims, or is this just pure fabrication?;):rolleyes:

Oh my... Are you even in this business ? Have you even been to PHX? Aren't you still waiting to get hired at Commutair?

Skywest swept the carpet right out from under JO's feet in PHX(disclaimer*). It s pretty da*m obvious these days.

Clearly u haven't been hired by Skywest....where's SLATS?





Disclaimer * In no way, shape or form are any of these statements in favor of Mr. Jonathan Ornstein nor MAG Corporate "the Pariah."

Now, I may be a neophyte, but it seems to me that Spirit undercuts all the other short-haul operators, on every contract (seat they sell to a passenger) and yet they pay a pretty decent wage, and have a pretty good contract for lifestyle. They are also making money hand over fist.

When Southwest goes into a market, they underbid their competitors and yet they still pay well, and have (mostly) happy crews.

If Skywest (who own airplanes, rampers, and gates, not just contracts) have figured out how to make a profit where other bottom feeders can't, good for them! And as long as the pilots aren't asked to take a loss, for the growth/pay raises of management, we should really not ***** them out. It is just fine that some of us want ALPA, and some don't. If SKW pilots are happy, and not being told by their "Holt"s that they need to take concessions while management enjoys radical pay hikes, I would say we should learn from them, not denigrate them!

So you're saying you have zero proof then? Just because SkyWest "swept the carpet right out from under JO's feet in PHX", it doesn't mean they "underbid" him... The fact that they consistently show profits year after year indicates they don't "underbid" for flying!
No matter how "da*m obvious" your lack of proof is!:rolleyes: