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#11
I would hazard a guess that, in general, flying even one fighter would negate any youthful pre-military silliness. If the history was that bad, then the military would not have taken you.
Might be one or two airlines with a bug up their butt, but most of them should be fine.
Might be one or two airlines with a bug up their butt, but most of them should be fine.
#12
I had 12 tickets (give or take) all before I started AF pilot training, all at least 20 years in the past. I listed them all. They were the first topic at my DAL interview..."what's up with all these tickets?!?" My answer was simple, "too much horsepower, not enough maturity." They all laughed, end of discussion. I also had a couple pilot training checkride busts I listed. Different discussion and lots of arguments here about whether or not to list those since they weren't Form 8 (NATOPS?) or FAA checks, but they were a non-issue as well.
You've already proven you can handle military service. You're flying the Hornet and you're going to fly the F-35. You have about the highest security clearance a person can have. You haven't had any tickets since.
You're fine. Those youthful indiscretions aren't going to hurt you. I know for a fact, at least at Delta, there's no computer scan that eliminates your app because of answering "yes" to those questions. They're read by humans for a whole-person concept. I don't how the other carriers scan their apps, but you're probably about average for the typical American male, certainly for those feeling their oats on the way to a flying career.
BUT, no matter what you read anywhere else on this site, don't lie by omission. List them all. Due to moving around in the military and multiple state driver's licenses, my tickets were not "findable" as far as I could tell. The key here is "as far as I could tell." And I looked. Hard. The companies spend time and money doing background checks and they will find stuff you're sure they couldn't. If they offer you a job and later find out you were not honest, they WILL fire you.
Don't start your next career looking over your shoulder hoping they don't find out.
ALSO, keep your nose clean. Don't get any more tickets and don't get rolled up by the cops.
You've already proven you can handle military service. You're flying the Hornet and you're going to fly the F-35. You have about the highest security clearance a person can have. You haven't had any tickets since.
You're fine. Those youthful indiscretions aren't going to hurt you. I know for a fact, at least at Delta, there's no computer scan that eliminates your app because of answering "yes" to those questions. They're read by humans for a whole-person concept. I don't how the other carriers scan their apps, but you're probably about average for the typical American male, certainly for those feeling their oats on the way to a flying career.
BUT, no matter what you read anywhere else on this site, don't lie by omission. List them all. Due to moving around in the military and multiple state driver's licenses, my tickets were not "findable" as far as I could tell. The key here is "as far as I could tell." And I looked. Hard. The companies spend time and money doing background checks and they will find stuff you're sure they couldn't. If they offer you a job and later find out you were not honest, they WILL fire you.
Don't start your next career looking over your shoulder hoping they don't find out.
ALSO, keep your nose clean. Don't get any more tickets and don't get rolled up by the cops.
#13
I had 12 tickets (give or take) all before I started AF pilot training, all at least 20 years in the past. I listed them all. They were the first topic at my DAL interview..."what's up with all these tickets?!?" My answer was simple, "too much horsepower, not enough maturity." They all laughed, end of discussion. I also had a couple pilot training checkride busts I listed. Different discussion and lots of arguments here about whether or not to list those since they weren't Form 8 (NATOPS?) or FAA checks, but they were a non-issue as well.
You've already proven you can handle military service. You're flying the Hornet and you're going to fly the F-35. You have about the highest security clearance a person can have. You haven't had any tickets since.
You're fine. Those youthful indiscretions aren't going to hurt you. I know for a fact, at least at Delta, there's no computer scan that eliminates your app because of answering "yes" to those questions. They're read by humans for a whole-person concept. I don't how the other carriers scan their apps, but you're probably about average for the typical American male, certainly for those feeling their oats on the way to a flying career.
BUT, no matter what you read anywhere else on this site, don't lie by omission. List them all. Due to moving around in the military and multiple state driver's licenses, my tickets were not "findable" as far as I could tell. The key here is "as far as I could tell." And I looked. Hard. The companies spend time and money doing background checks and they will find stuff you're sure they couldn't. If they offer you a job and later find out you were not honest, they WILL fire you.
Don't start your next career looking over your shoulder hoping they don't find out.
ALSO, keep your nose clean. Don't get any more tickets and don't get rolled up by the cops.
You've already proven you can handle military service. You're flying the Hornet and you're going to fly the F-35. You have about the highest security clearance a person can have. You haven't had any tickets since.
You're fine. Those youthful indiscretions aren't going to hurt you. I know for a fact, at least at Delta, there's no computer scan that eliminates your app because of answering "yes" to those questions. They're read by humans for a whole-person concept. I don't how the other carriers scan their apps, but you're probably about average for the typical American male, certainly for those feeling their oats on the way to a flying career.
BUT, no matter what you read anywhere else on this site, don't lie by omission. List them all. Due to moving around in the military and multiple state driver's licenses, my tickets were not "findable" as far as I could tell. The key here is "as far as I could tell." And I looked. Hard. The companies spend time and money doing background checks and they will find stuff you're sure they couldn't. If they offer you a job and later find out you were not honest, they WILL fire you.
Don't start your next career looking over your shoulder hoping they don't find out.
ALSO, keep your nose clean. Don't get any more tickets and don't get rolled up by the cops.
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,190
Hey all,
I am an F/A-18 pilot soon to be F-35 pilot and will be nearing the end of my commitment in a couple of years and I do have a lot of interest in the Majors. Unfortunately, I was less disciplined in my younger days.
-I had about 7 or so speeding tickets all from 2011 and earlier.
-I got arrested and thrown in the drunk tank for a night in college (2007) with a minor consumption charge. As it was my first offense and I complied with the courts' programs, everything was dismissed. They were not expunged, though.
I'd like to know if this is this a show stopper or if I still have a chance. Also, any guidance on how to handle this when applying will be helpful. I know I was pretty stupid back in the day.
Currently about 1500 TT
500 civilian
1000 military
ATP
BE-400 SIC Type
Aviation Safety Officer
CRM Instructor
Thanks in advance.
I am an F/A-18 pilot soon to be F-35 pilot and will be nearing the end of my commitment in a couple of years and I do have a lot of interest in the Majors. Unfortunately, I was less disciplined in my younger days.
-I had about 7 or so speeding tickets all from 2011 and earlier.
-I got arrested and thrown in the drunk tank for a night in college (2007) with a minor consumption charge. As it was my first offense and I complied with the courts' programs, everything was dismissed. They were not expunged, though.
I'd like to know if this is this a show stopper or if I still have a chance. Also, any guidance on how to handle this when applying will be helpful. I know I was pretty stupid back in the day.
Currently about 1500 TT
500 civilian
1000 military
ATP
BE-400 SIC Type
Aviation Safety Officer
CRM Instructor
Thanks in advance.
Not a show stopper, just own it all.
Bag every hour you can, get a NATOPS-I qual, you'll be fine.
Side note, Navy buddy of mine had more than 50 (yes five zero) tickets including two arrests for running from the cops, sport bike rider, he's now flying for a Major airline.
#15
I had a few, grew up on the Jersey Shore and the cops set up roadblocks and checkpoints every weekend. I got tickets for having my girl's garter hanging from my rear view mirror! Told the interviewer that most of the tix were bs because of where I lived. No problem. The Air Force recruiter was way more concerned than any airline interviewer. Your flying the F-35! Don't sweat any of that little ****.
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,190
#18
I know a guy who might have done over 100 mph on Randolph AFB's perimeter road. He didn't get caught, but my guess is guys like him probably sit on hiring boards and don't give 2 shlts about your speeding tickets -- only that you report them.
I have a buddy who got thrown in the drunk tank when he was at the Academy and he was picked up with the minorities, interns, and astronauts in early 2014 hiring. Spend a few hundred bucks at Emerald Coast Consulting and they will teach you how to spin all that stuff into a great story about how you've matured and learned since that time. They'll teach you to turn any potential negative into a positive.
I have a buddy who got thrown in the drunk tank when he was at the Academy and he was picked up with the minorities, interns, and astronauts in early 2014 hiring. Spend a few hundred bucks at Emerald Coast Consulting and they will teach you how to spin all that stuff into a great story about how you've matured and learned since that time. They'll teach you to turn any potential negative into a positive.
#19
That skill is important when making PAs:
"Folks, our mechanics are making this fine airplane even better!"
"Thanks to the lovely fog, you'll get to visit an additional city today at no extra charge!"
"How about that ride, Folks? Better than a theme park, eh?"
"Folks, our mechanics are making this fine airplane even better!"
"Thanks to the lovely fog, you'll get to visit an additional city today at no extra charge!"
"How about that ride, Folks? Better than a theme park, eh?"
#20
I know a guy who might have done over 100 mph on Randolph AFB's perimeter road. He didn't get caught, but my guess is guys like him probably sit on hiring boards and don't give 2 shlts about your speeding tickets -- only that you report them.
I have a buddy who got thrown in the drunk tank when he was at the Academy and he was picked up with the minorities, interns, and astronauts in early 2014 hiring. Spend a few hundred bucks at Emerald Coast Consulting and they will teach you how to spin all that stuff into a great story about how you've matured and learned since that time. They'll teach you to turn any potential negative into a positive.
I have a buddy who got thrown in the drunk tank when he was at the Academy and he was picked up with the minorities, interns, and astronauts in early 2014 hiring. Spend a few hundred bucks at Emerald Coast Consulting and they will teach you how to spin all that stuff into a great story about how you've matured and learned since that time. They'll teach you to turn any potential negative into a positive.
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