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Old 04-20-2017, 12:00 PM   #11
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Thanks USMC.

That's interesting because what I hear from all my peers flying at the majors now says it is a lot EASIER there than it was in at least the Air Force. They say you mainly show up and just fly, which is NOT what I encountered in the AF.

Also, GA isn't fun for me. In some ways I do like the structure of IFR clearances because VFR flying is so foreign to me. I flew the big planes and I loved those. Also with the AF all the additional duties were priority to flying, so I dealt with constantly feeling non proficient. It's not that I don't want any paperwork; it's the paperwork not even related to anything that wore me out. And waiting hours on a broken jet before canceling!

There is something to be said for setting the parking brake and being truly done with work for the day. I don't have that now. Add that to zero interest in my job and this is why I'm likely changing courses.


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Now you're talking about additional duties.
There is certainly a difference between airline flying and the additional duties that can involved with military flying.

I'd say that if you flew heavies then airline flying will probably be very similar in many ways.

PRS - In my particular instance we were rehashing weather requirements and maintenance actions. I find P135 requirements (which aren't as strict/stringent as P121 I understand) much more of a hassle that what I dealt with in the USMC/USN Strike fighter community.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:07 PM   #12
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I am in a similar situation. Largely a management/staff role (albeit in an aviation department) and most of my day is spent in meetings, dealing with drama, putting out fires, or dealing with vendors/contractors. Big money ($150k) but big headaches. However I am off 99.99% of all major holidays and weekends, and go home at 530 PM each day.

Will be able to retire with a pension at age 50 (3 years away) and am actually considering the major airlines. Even considering the regionals, with my pension in-hand, I will not be completely at the soup kitchen, at least not everyday.

So.....


I know a guy in my reserve unit who gave up a pension and good money as well for the same reasons. He's at a regional getting recency now. He doesn't have any regrets. The drama and meetings and useless emails really wear you out...


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Old 04-20-2017, 12:15 PM   #13
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I know a guy in my reserve unit who gave up a pension and good money as well for the same reasons. He's at a regional getting recency now. He doesn't have any regrets. The drama and meetings and useless emails really wear you out...


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My gameplan is go to Envoy, earn "flow-thru-to-AA time" + 121 time for my resume, during this time my apps will all be at the majors anyway, with regular updates.

I have about 10 collateral duties also, and report to 5 different bosses each think that I belong to them. W.t.f.
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Old 04-20-2017, 12:18 PM   #14
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I make base pay $113k, with some time and a half thrown in.. so longterm I think airlines would pay out more especially since moving up the ladder is not something I'm interested in at my current job. Politics only get worse from where I am, again speaking specifically in my current job. I have no interest in even more emails, conference calls, late night phone calls and knee jerk reactions. So I wouldn't move up a whole lot more on the pay scale mainly by choice.


EDIT: I should add that I am not home every night in this job. In fact I already spend 4-5 nights in a hotel and will do so for the upcoming months. I am already used to being gone and don't mind that. I do get holidays off now but it never really bugged me much when I used to miss those frequently in the AMC world.

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Do it, jump ship. You'll love it and make a lot more money too.
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Why are you not targeting direct to a major? 15 months out of cockpit is not a total deal breaker as it once was (I think).

You sound like you have it figured out. Get your apps in.
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Why are you not targeting direct to a major? 15 months out of cockpit is not a total deal breaker as it once was (I think).

You sound like you have it figured out. Get your apps in.


I have over 4 years out of the cockpit... my last tour was in RPAs. So once I get recency and the ATP from a regional I'll be targeting the majors.

I appreciate the responses. I realize it seems I've made up my mind and have it figured out but it's nice to bounce ideas off others!


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Interesting discussion. I got a job offer for Endeavor, and just found out that I did not get hired at Southwest. Not sure why, as I felt good about it after the interview.

Apps are in everywhere, no other calls yet. C-130, 4k, Evaluator.

I started applying late because I wasn't really sure if I wanted to keep flying, or do something else. The thought of regional pay is, honestly, kind of sickening, especially after 20 years of military pay. The thought of an office job is also kind of sickening.

But, maybe it'll work out with someone else before long. Just have to make it through training!
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Interesting discussion. I got a job offer for Endeavor, and just found out that I did not get hired at Southwest. Not sure why, as I felt good about it after the interview.

Apps are in everywhere, no other calls yet. C-130, 4k, Evaluator.

I started applying late because I wasn't really sure if I wanted to keep flying, or do something else. The thought of regional pay is, honestly, kind of sickening, especially after 20 years of military pay. The thought of an office job is also kind of sickening.

But, maybe it'll work out with someone else before long. Just have to make it through training!


Is recency a problem for you? Couldn't tell from your post if you've been out of flying for a while. I get it about regional pay... oy.


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Interesting discussion. I got a job offer for Endeavor, and just found out that I did not get hired at Southwest. Not sure why, as I felt good about it after the interview.

Apps are in everywhere, no other calls yet. C-130, 4k, Evaluator.

I started applying late because I wasn't really sure if I wanted to keep flying, or do something else. The thought of regional pay is, honestly, kind of sickening, especially after 20 years of military pay. The thought of an office job is also kind of sickening.

But, maybe it'll work out with someone else before long. Just have to make it through training!
any hindsight 20/20 observations on interview ?
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Last flight was Feb. I didn't do a staff tour at the end, or anything.

I'm really not sure what I messed up. Like I said, I really felt confident when I left the building. There's no feedback.

From talking to friends, though, it's an odd process. The hiring people put your "package" together, then the Chief Pilots actually decide who to hire. I guess, in a way, it's like the Air Force...it's all based on your package by people who never met you.

Other airlines let you know that same day, with the decisions made by the hiring group.
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