Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Career Builder > Military
Are former military pilots subject to recall >

Are former military pilots subject to recall

Notices
Military Military Aviation

Are former military pilots subject to recall

Old 05-15-2017, 03:06 AM
  #21  
Abused Spouse of PBS
 
C-17 Driver's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 439
Default

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
In order to receive those contacts, you must be part of the CRAF. It is the benny for the airlines to agree to be recalled.

The normal operation of an airline will be affected depending on what level of CRAF is activated. The airlines can't renege on that.

What would the airlines be flying? Lucrative DOD contracts or normal ops?

I'll preface all this by saying I'm not an expert, but did do some research on this a few years ago.

CRAF is all volunteer for the pilots. What if bad guys start targeting civilian aircraft that are flying CRAF flights? Couple of aircraft get shot down, what then happens to the volunteer rate for both the companies and the pilots? During my research for my thesis on this subject, I found out that one of the airlines does not have insurance protecting their aircrew if something war-related were to happen on a CRAF flight.

Also, back when some of these incentives were written, there was a lot more market capacity. You mentioned lucrative contracts. With less capacity and higher competition on very lucrative routes (NY to LHR), a major carrier would be hesitant to pull a widebody off a lucrative route to fly to Al Udeid AB. The US gov't will not pay the same as all those first and business class customers. And to add to it, once an airline removes that aircraft from that particular route, they will have to "Rob Peter to pay Paul" by pulling another aircraft from a different route to cover the higher profit route, thus starting a cycle.

Obviously, the current incentives are enough to attract participation. (city pairs, using military fields for alternate airport options to save fuel, etc.). We've ony gone Stage 2 twice in the CRAF history. Stage 3, a full nationalization, has never occurred. Probably a WW3 level event will be that trigger. Anyway, if we were to go Stage 2, it will cause a lot of pain.

Bottom line is that the US military does not have enough organic lift to fly all the personnel for a mass mobilization, hence the need for the CRAF.
C-17 Driver is offline  
Old 05-15-2017, 06:15 AM
  #22  
Gets Weekends Off
 
galaxy flyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Baja Vermont
Posts: 5,168
Default

All true, except, civil traffic declines steeply during imminent hostilities, freeing up lift. Desert Storm saw airlines more than willing to supply lift. American freed up some B777s for the Iraq buildup, too.

GF
galaxy flyer is offline  
Old 05-25-2017, 11:04 AM
  #23  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: 737 FO/Capt/FO
Posts: 426
Default

Originally Posted by MikeF16 View Post
Holy cow would that be fun. Imagine being involuntarily recalled and having an attitude that makes FIIGMO look like training wheels.

.
Just fell off my chair eating lunch. Mike you're killing me!

Sounds like the time my female DO came into the pilot section asking for help in choosing a drop zone vehicle. Fellow pilot says "Ma'am how about a hummer..."
The entire room lost it!

Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 05-25-2017 at 12:03 PM. Reason: TOU in quote
Starlifter is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Route66
American
6
04-08-2015 06:38 AM
ERJ135
American
26
02-26-2013 05:54 PM
JungleBus
Major
121
12-20-2008 04:13 PM
WatchThis!
Major
68
07-13-2008 08:12 AM
HSLD
Flight Schools and Training
2
05-14-2006 09:07 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices