Military Flight Hour Conversions
06-06-2017, 01:29 PM
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Military Flight Hour Conversions
I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around converting our military flight time to FAA standards for ATP. I've read the FARs, but I'm not a lawyer and the other military guys in my unit don't know either, and
Please tell me if I'm correct on this:
Aircraft Commander = PIC
1st Pilot = PIC since your manipulating controls and acting as PIC in a dual piloted aircraft.
2nd Pilot = Only good for total time
PIC as student = Solo or 1st pilot time if in dual piloted AC
2nd Pilot as Student = adds to total time
Thanks for the comments.
Please tell me if I'm correct on this:
Aircraft Commander = PIC
1st Pilot = PIC since your manipulating controls and acting as PIC in a dual piloted aircraft.
2nd Pilot = Only good for total time
PIC as student = Solo or 1st pilot time if in dual piloted AC
2nd Pilot as Student = adds to total time
Thanks for the comments.
06-06-2017, 03:13 PM
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Careful, each airline has their own rules on what constitutes PIC/SIC etc and that doesn't really match up with FAA definitions.
I'm assuming you are Navy/USMC? Basic rules for most applications is
-If the aircraft requires more than one pilot and you are not the A code : SIC for time in the seat (2nd pilot in Navy speak)?
-If you signed for the jet, all time is PIC (some airlines won't let you use other time so be careful there)
-most airlines allow the use of IP/EP time as PIC
I found this guy's explanations to be gold when converting my logbook:
http://www.aviationbull.com/2015/oct/19/military-pilot-logbook-conversion
-student/UPT time with an instructor (T-6/T-34/Cessna is dual...solo is PIC
I'm assuming you are Navy/USMC? Basic rules for most applications is
-If the aircraft requires more than one pilot and you are not the A code : SIC for time in the seat (2nd pilot in Navy speak)?
-If you signed for the jet, all time is PIC (some airlines won't let you use other time so be careful there)
-most airlines allow the use of IP/EP time as PIC
I found this guy's explanations to be gold when converting my logbook:
http://www.aviationbull.com/2015/oct/19/military-pilot-logbook-conversion
-student/UPT time with an instructor (T-6/T-34/Cessna is dual...solo is PIC
06-06-2017, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by C130driver
Careful, each airline has their own rules on what constitutes PIC/SIC etc and that doesn't really match up with FAA definitions.
I'm assuming you are Navy/USMC? Basic rules for most applications is
-If the aircraft requires more than one pilot and you are not the A code : SIC for time in the seat (2nd pilot in Navy speak)?
-If you signed for the jet, all time is PIC (some airlines won't let you use other time so be careful there)
-most airlines allow the use of IP/EP time as PIC
I found this guy's explanations to be gold when converting my logbook:
Military Pilot Logbook Conversion | AviationBull
-student/UPT time with an instructor (T-6/T-34/Cessna is dual...solo is PIC
I'm assuming you are Navy/USMC? Basic rules for most applications is
-If the aircraft requires more than one pilot and you are not the A code : SIC for time in the seat (2nd pilot in Navy speak)?
-If you signed for the jet, all time is PIC (some airlines won't let you use other time so be careful there)
-most airlines allow the use of IP/EP time as PIC
I found this guy's explanations to be gold when converting my logbook:
Military Pilot Logbook Conversion | AviationBull
-student/UPT time with an instructor (T-6/T-34/Cessna is dual...solo is PIC
06-06-2017, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Student time is *NOT* PIC unless you're solo. It's dual/student if you're with an IP.
06-06-2017, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DROCK
I agree, but I think the FARs state if you are in a dual pilot ac and you are student that has soloed you can log PIC if you are acting as PIC and the sole manipulator of the controls (1st Pilot).
06-06-2017, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DROCK
I agree, but I think the FARs state if you are in a dual pilot ac and you are student that has soloed you can log PIC if you are acting as PIC and the sole manipulator of the controls (1st Pilot).
YES, you can log PIC as sole manipulator under 61.159. But this time is not really counted as PIC by most employers, so I would *strongly* recommend that if you do log it, keep it in a separate column so you can easily break it out later when you're filling out applications, and so interviewers don't get confused.
I think this sort of "sort-of-PIC" might be applicable if you apply for a job with the FAA?
06-06-2017, 06:42 PM
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Interviewers won't get confused listening to the reasoning. Internally the interview will be at risk.
Stick to what the airlines want to see. They expect the 1.1 definition of PIC and not the 91.65(??) definition. They don't care who's flying, they want to know who's in command.
The link a couple of posts ago, detailing how to log military time for a civilian job, nails it.
Stick to what the airlines want to see. They expect the 1.1 definition of PIC and not the 91.65(??) definition. They don't care who's flying, they want to know who's in command.
The link a couple of posts ago, detailing how to log military time for a civilian job, nails it.
06-06-2017, 09:21 PM
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All good advice, but it sounds like the OP is talking about converting time for his ATP. That's based on FARs. Airline apps are a totally different animal and completely unrelated to logging time to meet ATP requirements while obtained that rating.
06-06-2017, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
All good advice, but it sounds like the OP is talking about converting time for his ATP. That's based on FARs. Airline apps are a totally different animal and completely unrelated to logging time to meet ATP requirements while obtained that rating.
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