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USMCFLYR 07-25-2020 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by skylike (Post 3098977)
I was considering Apejackson's eight years enlisted. I should have been more general for others on the forum and included this caveat.

If you have already RETIRED from active duty, you start federal civilian service for leave purposes as someone with no prior time would. You are already being compensated for your military time.

If you are retired, you may still buy back your military time but I cannot fathom any scenario that would make it financially feasible. You give up your current military pension for future civil credit.

I was speaking for anyone who has regular active duty military (or Coast Guard) time and DID NOT retire. If you were enlisted four four years and left or an officer passed over for O5 and canned at 14 years, you may buy back that time and it counts for additional percentage of pay at retirement.

For leave accumulation, all regular active duty time counts (unless you retired). I am not speaking of National Guard time or reserves taking active orders, just regular ol' I joined the military and left under honorable conditions after x number of years. In times of drawdown or for veteran's preference points,one can have active military service but not be considered a veteran, but I don't think that has occured in the last 30 years.

These are the rules under FERS for law enforcement officers. I thought the FERS rules were the same for military service LEO or not, but cannot speak to that. There may be some on this forum still on the CSRS retirement system, but they won't be around, or alive, much longer. Anyone interested in a CBP job or any other agency will be under FERS, LEO or not.

USMCFLYR - are you still FAA flight check?

Yep - still looking after the NAS :-)!

Agreed......if you served your initial obligation, no reason not to buy back your time. We have one guy who retired but was able to buy back his 4 years at the USAFA.

I did not know about the leave accrual being straight military time if you did not retire.
everyone I know had to fill out the forms and send them in then was told how much credit time they got towards leave.
I did 20 years, multiple overseas tours that were credited to include combat tours and a got 6 months credit. I would find it hard to believe some who spent 4 years in the stateside military without any deployments woul garner 4 years of leave credit if that person joined govt service, but OPM has some strange rules for sure.

i know that govt LEO service has some different rules, but Iím certainly not up to speed on them all.
Iím sure your recruiting is probably seeing an uptick of recent. We just had 4 retired USAF pilots come on board.
2 were coming on board in any case and two Iím sure weíre heavily influenced by current factors. We probably havenít had a newly retired USAF guy come on from the USAF Flight Check DET 1 in probably 6-7 years.

skylike 07-25-2020 02:18 PM

Yes. If Apejackson had eight years military, or as FBI, or at Dept. of State, it all counts as working for the same employer for leave purposes. Doesn't matter if spent the entire time in Diego Garcia shoveling [email protected] or as a recruiter in your hometown living in your mother's basement.. Most of the gentleman I work with have 10-13 years active duty and our Leave and Earnings statements have a different box for leave accrual date that is actually before our EOD date. Went to the Academy? You get four more years toward leave and four percent more at retirement.. You, USMCFLYR, received "extra credit" for combat time or special circumstance deployed time, kinda double dipping. Thank you for your service.

For pension, Justice or State, would already have been contributing to the FERS retirement and would be credited for years there. The buyback exists to give military the same opportunity since they contributed nothing out of pocket towards a pension as did their civil counterparts. Same employer, different departments

For those interested in the job, the death benefits I mentioned before are these. Should you die as an employee with eighteen months of civilian service, your spouse would receive a lump sum payment of $ 32,423, plus one half of you current salary (to include LEAP). If you have ten or more years of service, including bought back military time, your spouse would then receive 50% of what your pension would have been had you retired at the time of death. That pension payment continues for life unless the spouse remarries before age 55. That is a basic benefit, regardless of whether or not you purchased government life insurance. BTW, there are groups serving federal employees that have better life insurance for less cost than the FEGLI policies.

There are also disability benefits and retirement that I wont get into here.

Just a side note, I know two pilots that became medically unable to continue flying. Both became supervisors and are able to continue working until they choose to retire. You need a FAA medical to fly, just able to breath for anything else. Brain dead is O.K. too, sometimes a requirement for government work.

USMCFLYR 07-25-2020 03:00 PM

Not sure I understand the double dipping.
i was hired as a GS-11 and got 4 hrs leave.
With my military credit of 6 months, I started to get 6 hrs leave after 1.5 years of govít service vice 2 years.
Is that what you mean?

skylike 07-25-2020 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 3099145)
Not sure I understand the double dipping.
i was hired as a GS-11 and got 4 hrs leave.
With my military credit of 6 months, I started to get 6 hrs leave after 1.5 years of govít service vice 2 years.
Is that what you mean?

Yes if you retired from the military and got some credit toward leave accrual then that six months I considered double dipping. If you retired without combat or deployment credit one would get nothing, even though still a veteran.

USMCFLYR 07-25-2020 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by skylike (Post 3099147)
Yes if you retired from the military and got some credit toward leave accrual then that six months I considered double dipping. If you retired without combat or deployment credit one would get nothing, even though still a veteran.

Correct. Service only didnít get you any leave credit.
It was a small grouping of circumstances that qualified for leave credit.

falconkidding 07-30-2020 11:17 AM

Man that polygraph is some BS. I knew roughly 50 percent failed but to be truthful and a straightedge person and accused so smugly of lying at the end was infuriating. The questions were so easy to answer truthfully which makes it so frustrating. Maybe my natural biology just isnt a good fit for polygraph or something.

Kinda wish i would have paid for practice prep or something.

senecacaptain 07-30-2020 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by falconkidding (Post 3101852)
Man that polygraph is some BS. I knew roughly 50 percent failed but to be truthful and a straightedge person and accused so smugly of lying at the end was infuriating. The questions were so easy to answer truthfully which makes it so frustrating. Maybe my natural biology just isnt a good fit for polygraph or something.

Kinda wish i would have paid for practice prep or something.

that is a likely automatic fail or DQ.

falconkidding 07-30-2020 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by senecacaptain (Post 3101863)
that is a likely automatic fail or DQ.

but if being honest and having a clean background didnt work it could have been something simple that someone whos familiar with them could have fixed.

PA16 07-30-2020 02:07 PM

Thanks for the heads up, have that part coming up next. Be nice to get through and get in flying the drone, I have had all the jet time bouncing from hotel to hotel that I need, sleeping in my own bed at night until I retire sounds pretty darn good.

hindsight2020 07-30-2020 07:06 PM

reminds me of the Hogan thing with United. Is the poly something you can re-take a year later or are you disqualified from ever re-applying for the CBP job?


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