Wheelsoff

A few years ago I was arrested and booked over at the Security Forces squadron on base along with two other squadron mates for “breaking red” (literally a 10 foot section of red line near the grass) walking back to the squadron after doing a FOD walk with maintenance. I’m gonna have my records checked to see whether or not it shows up on anything official, but if so, I’m curious if this would be a deal breaker, or at least a major hindrance from getting my app looked at if I have to check the square saying that I have been arrested before?

Thoughts/recommendations? Thanks!

TheRoboFighter

Several questions here for clarification.

1) Were you arrested or detained?
2) Were you charged?
If so what was the disposition of those charges?
3)Did you retain the paperwork from your booking, and what is the offfical language on it say.
4)Did you retain base legal services?

rickair7777

What came of it? If UCMJ was involved, then there may be a paper trail. Çheck your DD214, discharge character, seperation code, and re enlistment code.

Normally I would say never lie, but military discipline does not exactly correspond to civilian law enforcement. If there wasn't formal UCMJ action, and it didn't affect your DD214, probably not an issue. It probably wasn't even an "arrest" by civilian standards.

Wheelsoff

1) We were handcuffed and searched, then put in the patrol car and taken over to Security Forces where we were detained and questioned separately on the event. Seemed way overboard given what happened but personally I think SF saw the chance to make an example of green suitors and capitalized. So...we were “arrested” but technically detained? We were read rights before questioning.

2/3) Can’t remember if there were official charges or not. After questioning I think we had to sign a piece of paper that I was never given a copy of before we were released.

4) We were given the option to “lawyer up” (which the enlisted Loadmaster did because he was scared), but the other pilot and myself did not because it would have had further legal implications I believe and would have only drug out the process longer, and I had work to go and do back at the squadron. As a side note, my Commander just laughed when I profusely apologized later for the trouble it caused her.

Wheelsoff

Ya, I agree. We had to sign a piece of paper I believe but wasn't given a copy. After we were detained for questioning and released I never heard anything come of it again, so the UCMJ never was involved I don’t think.

Wheelsoff

Tried responding earlier but didn’t post for some reason...

1) We were handcuffed/searched and then put in the patrol car and booked over at the SF squadron. Once there, we were separated and detained for questioning. I had to sign a piece of paper before I left but was never given a copy of it. I do not think I was officially charged, technically?

2/3) See above

4) We were given the option to “lawyer up” but I believe that had further legal implications if we did so. The enlisted loadmaster did only because I think he was scared. The other pilot and myself did not because we had work to do back at the squadron and did not want to drag the process out any longer than we needed to. A funny sidenote, my commander just laughed at me when I apologized later for how much trouble it caused her.

rickair7777

Ok, that wasn't an arrest IMO.

Check your DD214, and FBI records just to be safe.

TheRoboFighter

Concur. If it isn’t in any fitness reports, FBI records, or DD214 then it isn’t a arrest.

Spike from flyi

Take my word for this; blow it off. Did it ever go before a federal magistrate? No. They were just trying to frighten you into compliance.

sherpster

As an Army FW guy maybe I should check my file....I walked across various red lines probably 80x in my career. If you dont have a ride for me then I am walking to Base Ops. Those SP's take their job serious, which is good, but they lack common sense.

One time I got in trouble for doing a walk around at McQuire without a flight line badge. I had just landed and taxiied in.