Marine Corps raising Pilot Retention Bonuses
07-19-2018, 12:01 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
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I did the math... taking the USAF bonus back in 2004ish ended up costing me and my wife roughly $6 mil in salary, in return for $250k in bonus, $1.5 mil in pension, and retiree tricare.
Financially it wasn't worth it. The pension and medical does offer quite a bit of peace of mind and buffer against a future recession, plus some people actually like the military job and lifestyle, so there's the tradeoff.
Financially it wasn't worth it. The pension and medical does offer quite a bit of peace of mind and buffer against a future recession, plus some people actually like the military job and lifestyle, so there's the tradeoff.
07-23-2018, 09:03 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Worth noting... the Navy is notoriously not appreciative towards "quitters", so they are not worried about taking care of outward bound personnel or those who have not selected for promotion. But that doesn't really impact the folks in the front half of the pack, culture-wise.
I had this conversation with a Skipper who would throw “quitters” under the bus on their last fitrep but would ***** about the quality coming up the ranks. Years later I had the opportunity to finally tell him his leadership and others with that mindset were to blame. You take an EP and give him a P out the door, you just artificially promoted a P or MP who would’ve never gotten that EP.
Oh and it’s a volunteer force, when a guy decides he’s done volunteering he/she still stood up and raised their hand when 99.9% of Americans wouldn’t. F their “quitter” mindset. How about you say thanks for your service and good luck?
07-23-2018, 10:47 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Grumble
A lot of those at the front of the pack shouldn’t be there because of this mindset.
I had this conversation with a Skipper who would throw “quitters” under the bus on their last fitrep but would ***** about the quality coming up the ranks. Years later I had the opportunity to finally tell him his leadership and others with that mindset were to blame. You take an EP and give him a P out the door, you just artificially promoted a P or MP who would’ve never gotten that EP.
Oh and it’s a volunteer force, when a guy decides he’s done volunteering he/she still stood up and raised their hand when 99.9% of Americans wouldn’t. F their “quitter” mindset. How about you say thanks for your service and good luck?
I had this conversation with a Skipper who would throw “quitters” under the bus on their last fitrep but would ***** about the quality coming up the ranks. Years later I had the opportunity to finally tell him his leadership and others with that mindset were to blame. You take an EP and give him a P out the door, you just artificially promoted a P or MP who would’ve never gotten that EP.
Oh and it’s a volunteer force, when a guy decides he’s done volunteering he/she still stood up and raised their hand when 99.9% of Americans wouldn’t. F their “quitter” mindset. How about you say thanks for your service and good luck?
On the AC side, more prevalent. Used to tell AC folks not to do that since it could kill a future reserve leader career that we would need on our side of the fence line to help them again on the AC side.
Also pointed out that those leaving AC were some of Navy's best recruiters for local kids, nieces, nephews, kids friends, etc. Mess that up, especially after a productive and honorable career to date, tough to attract future Navy volunteers.
07-23-2018, 11:12 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Always considered penny wise and pound foolish. On the RSV side never did that. You earned what you earned.
On the AC side, more prevalent. Used to tell AC folks not to do that since it could kill a future reserve leader career that we would need on our side of the fence line to help them again on the AC side.
Also pointed out that those leaving AC were some of Navy's best recruiters for local kids, nieces, nephews, kids friends, etc. Mess that up, especially after a productive and honorable career to date, tough to attract future Navy volunteers.
On the AC side, more prevalent. Used to tell AC folks not to do that since it could kill a future reserve leader career that we would need on our side of the fence line to help them again on the AC side.
Also pointed out that those leaving AC were some of Navy's best recruiters for local kids, nieces, nephews, kids friends, etc. Mess that up, especially after a productive and honorable career to date, tough to attract future Navy volunteers.
But in my experience RC boards can generally read between the lines when an EP hot runner downshifts to a pack P and low GPA within six months of AC/RC transition.
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