Marine F/A-18 and KC-130 down off Japan
12-11-2018, 06:40 AM
#21
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purpketoolbox,
I give you Gold 11, they don’t hand out the MacKay Trophy for good briefings.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0808azores.pdf
RIP.
GF
I give you Gold 11, they don’t hand out the MacKay Trophy for good briefings.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0808azores.pdf
RIP.
GF
12-11-2018, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
purpketoolbox,
I give you Gold 11, they don’t hand out the MacKay Trophy for good briefings.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0808azores.pdf
RIP.
GF
I give you Gold 11, they don’t hand out the MacKay Trophy for good briefings.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0808azores.pdf
RIP.
GF
Holy crap...never heard that one before!!
I was in a flight of six F-4Gs and we diverted to Santa Maria because Lajes winds went way out of limits. Talk about deja vu...Lajes was VMC but a 40 kt crosswind.
We went to Santa Maria...which was under a 800 ft overcast. NDB-only...not us. A Marine C-130 providing comm-relay as Santa Maria was VHF-only and we were UHF-only.
Did an “NDB” approach
using our INS...which had drifted probably 10 miles on a six-hour hop from Incirlik.Great story. Will be sharing it!
12-11-2018, 12:43 PM
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I left Yenishehir AB in a flight of six A-10 headed to Lajes with horrible wind forecast, out of limits for the tankers. The plan was to top off overhead, the tankers would wait as long as they could, then leave. Finally, the 2ADG (long ago) thought better of it and we diverted just west of the straits to Torrejon.
But, no organization learns well. A good friend led a a four ship into Lajes with 40+ knot crosswinds, several blown tires, near excursions, #4 landed with the runway blocked by #3 with two blown tires and couldn’t taxi clear.
A guy in my C-5 unit had been in that KC-10 unit and knew the crew—pretty famous.
GF
But, no organization learns well. A good friend led a a four ship into Lajes with 40+ knot crosswinds, several blown tires, near excursions, #4 landed with the runway blocked by #3 with two blown tires and couldn’t taxi clear.
A guy in my C-5 unit had been in that KC-10 unit and knew the crew—pretty famous.
GF
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12-12-2018, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
purpketoolbox,
I give you Gold 11, they don’t hand out the MacKay Trophy for good briefings.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0808azores.pdf
RIP.
GF
I give you Gold 11, they don’t hand out the MacKay Trophy for good briefings.
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineA...0808azores.pdf
RIP.
GF
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
I left Yenishehir AB in a flight of six A-10 headed to Lajes with horrible wind forecast, out of limits for the tankers. The plan was to top off overhead, the tankers would wait as long as they could, then leave. Finally, the 2ADG (long ago) thought better of it and we diverted just west of the straits to Torrejon.
But, no organization learns well. A good friend led a a four ship into Lajes with 40+ knot crosswinds, several blown tires, near excursions, #4 landed with the runway blocked by #3 with two blown tires and couldn’t taxi clear.
A guy in my C-5 unit had been in that KC-10 unit and knew the crew—pretty famous.
GF
But, no organization learns well. A good friend led a a four ship into Lajes with 40+ knot crosswinds, several blown tires, near excursions, #4 landed with the runway blocked by #3 with two blown tires and couldn’t taxi clear.
A guy in my C-5 unit had been in that KC-10 unit and knew the crew—pretty famous.
GF
I am very aware of that story. I was trying to find it to include it in my diatribe, however I thought their callsign was Blue 21 ... and search functions failed me. Google also didn't find anything when searching crashes at Lajes. LOL
HOWEVER, my unit in the 90s (maybe 00s) had THE EXACT SAME SITUATION AS GOLD 21 did ... at Lajes ... but they didn't crash any fighters that day. The crew, remembering the story of Gold 21, and seeing what was getting ready to happen to their bros, fueled the KC-10 back up, took off and saved the day. I now work with many of them professionally. I know them well.
To the KC-130 crew, RIP. AAR is something many people in our business take for granted. All too many call it "admin" which frustrates me when I hear them say it. However, all it takes is a few careless seconds or loss of situation awareness and your day can immediately turn for the worst. May God bless those men.
12-12-2018, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
THANK YOU!!
I am very aware of that story. I was trying to find it to include it in my diatribe, however I thought their callsign was Blue 21 ... and search functions failed me. Google also didn't find anything when searching crashes at Lajes. LOL
HOWEVER, my unit in the 90s (maybe 00s) had THE EXACT SAME SITUATION AS GOLD 21 did ... at Lajes ... but they didn't crash any fighters that day. The crew, remembering the story of Gold 21, and seeing what was getting ready to happen to their bros, fueled the KC-10 back up, took off and saved the day. I now work with many of them professionally. I know them well.
To the KC-130 crew, RIP. AAR is something many people in our business take for granted. All too many call it "admin" which frustrates me when I hear them say it. However, all it takes is a few careless seconds or loss of situation awareness and your day can immediately turn for the worst. May God bless those men.
I am very aware of that story. I was trying to find it to include it in my diatribe, however I thought their callsign was Blue 21 ... and search functions failed me. Google also didn't find anything when searching crashes at Lajes. LOL
HOWEVER, my unit in the 90s (maybe 00s) had THE EXACT SAME SITUATION AS GOLD 21 did ... at Lajes ... but they didn't crash any fighters that day. The crew, remembering the story of Gold 21, and seeing what was getting ready to happen to their bros, fueled the KC-10 back up, took off and saved the day. I now work with many of them professionally. I know them well.
To the KC-130 crew, RIP. AAR is something many people in our business take for granted. All too many call it "admin" which frustrates me when I hear them say it. However, all it takes is a few careless seconds or loss of situation awareness and your day can immediately turn for the worst. May God bless those men.
12-12-2018, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
AAR is something many people in our business take for granted. All too many call it "admin" which frustrates me when I hear them say it. However, all it takes is a few careless seconds or loss of situation awareness and your day can immediately turn for the worst. May God bless those men.
12-12-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nicest guy in the world.
Ed Parent if any of you USAF types knew of him.
12-12-2018, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Was that other flight you are thinking of part of the translant package of 12 F/A-18Ds from VMFA(AW)-224 which almost put the entire flight in the water had it not been for that tanker launching (if their own accord wasn’t it?)
Yes. Were you flying one of the 18s?
12-12-2018, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Yes. Were you flying one of the 18s?
That Captain (wasn't it?) who launched when he realized what was happening saved the day!
