Somewhere out there is a KC-10 crew that saved my ass (and some guys on the ground) when I opted to roll the dice as a single ship and stay on a TIC rather than divert. I’m not sure what MMO is on a KC-10 but they were at least .9 Mach when I got SA on them to refuel. Got in the basket with about 2k of gas and no where to go. The guys on the ground were probably more greatful than me.

No one kicks ass without tanker gas.

USMC, I did know Ed quite well when we were at Norton 1987-1989 time frame. A big, friendly likable guy. I believe you meant he was the AC on the first C-141.

Yes - that is what I meant Starlifter - thanks.
What a hoot Ed was.
Did you happen to run across a Paul Thompson during your -141 days too?

That was a terrible day for the USAF; two C-141s and a B-1B went down that night, with no survivors.
If you're ever in Glasgow, MT, there is a very nice memorial next to the highway for the C-141 mishap. Well done by the city of Glasgow.

I don’t remember Paul but it is possible I ran across him amongst the four active duty squadrons at Norton. My suitemate from Altus was the AC on the other 141 that went down that night...

I’m very sad to hear that you lost a friend in that mishap too.

Thanks. They paid a helluva price. We learned alot from that accident and modified formation AAR accordingly. So many years ago...
When I now fly MSP—SEA at night...I look at the lights below and think about that night. RIP to all!

I knew a bunch of 141 people from that era. I remember what the big take-away from that was.

Just wondering while admiring the mutual admiration society of tankers and receivers. Does the "watch this" of the viet era still get told when tankers and receivers belly up to the bar?