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wrxpilot 12-15-2018 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2725909)
I don’t think this is true. Mine showed up, didn’t matter, I disclosed anyway. Great opportunity to talk about what you learned and how it helped build your character, also I used some self deprecating humor about it in my interview.

Expungement is not the same as sealed. If it’s expunged, it’s gone. I don’t know what you mean when you say “yours showed up”. That’s not even possible.

PRS Guitars 12-15-2018 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2725922)
Expungement is not the same as sealed. If it’s expunged, it’s gone. I don’t know what you mean when you say “yours showed up”. That’s not even possible.

I had it expunged, then when I did a background check on myself (Colorado Bureau of Investigation), it showed up. I don’t know if the expungement didn’t work or what.

Bottom line, it doesn’t matter, if they ask if you’ve ever been arrested, the answer is yes for the OP.

rickair7777 12-15-2018 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2725867)
Get it expunged. Even the military can’t look at it at that point, and you can legally say you never committed a crime.

No. That technically applies to civilian employers, but not federal agencies like DoD, Intel, LE.

If they ask a question, answer it literally.

wrxpilot 12-15-2018 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2725931)
I had it expunged, then when I did a background check on myself (Colorado Bureau of Investigation), it showed up. I don’t know if the expungement didn’t work or what.

Bottom line, it doesn’t matter, if they ask if you’ve ever been arrested, the answer is yes for the OP.

I’m quite familiar with how it works in Colorado. If yours showed up in a CBI check, it was not expunged. You are giving the OP incorrect information.

wrxpilot 12-15-2018 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2725938)
No. That technically applies to civilian employers, but not federal agencies like DoD, Intel, LE.

If they ask a question, answer it literally.

Absolutely incorrect. It applies to the military.

BeatNavy 12-15-2018 04:17 PM

APC lawyers are the worst kind. Unless a very experienced attorney advised me otherwise, I would disclose everything, even expunged stuff. A quick google search shows there are definitely circumstances where expunged stuff shows up.

https://www.recordgone.com/articles/...d-be-found.htm

PRS Guitars 12-15-2018 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2725941)
I’m quite familiar with how it works in Colorado. If yours showed up in a CBI check, it was not expunged. You are giving the OP incorrect information.

Ok, doesn’t matter, he should probably consult a lawyer if he wants to deny it happened. I stand by my recommendation to answer the questions accurately, especially since it really doesn’t matter, but I’m not a lawyer. Sounds like maybe you were, I don’t know.

rickair7777 12-15-2018 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2725943)
Absolutely incorrect. It applies to the military.

You are absolutely not correct.

For clarity, it may not be disqualifying, but you cannot lie about arrests or convictions, regardless of any sealing or expunging.

All military personnel must be eligible for a clearance. I know how those work, my unit has dedicated Intel cell which reports to me.

Also I'm talking federal, maybe the guard is different.

wrxpilot 12-15-2018 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2725952)
APC lawyers are the worst kind. Unless a very experienced attorney advised me otherwise, I would disclose everything, even expunged stuff. A quick google search shows there are definitely circumstances where expunged stuff shows up.

https://www.recordgone.com/articles/...d-be-found.htm

I agree completely, OP absolutely talk to a lawyer. Because you were a juvenile, expungement is different than what the linked article above applies to.

wrxpilot 12-15-2018 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2726028)
You are absolutely not correct.

For clarity, it may not be disqualifying, but you cannot lie about arrests or convictions, regardless of any sealing or expunging.

All military personnel must be eligible for a clearance. I know how those work, my unit has dedicated Intel cell which reports to me.

Also I'm talking federal, maybe the guard is different.

https://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/ju...n-colorado.htm


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