Regionals taking non-current military pilots?
#21
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Slice... that’s what I was saying. A 727 has no relation to a 707, although we did get a b-720 type (I don’t even know what it is). My warning to him was if it’s a typo, no big deal, but if it came up in a interview and he answered it the way he did here (they were the same), it might give a lot of looks around the room. Maybe I wrote my j it UAL response wrong, but what you said is what I was trying to say.... those two airplanes have really nothing in common at all (727 vs 707)
#22
You should get a call from someone a few hours after you put in your app. You are Mil, you're trainable. Besides that, you are already RPA qualified. Find a guard unit close to your regional and stay in. No easier way to supplement your income and get cheap insurance. Yeah, I know you are bitter about AD, but it's the Guard dude. Check it out.
#23
Not most people’s experience. Generally being in the Guard or Reserve is a big plus in the regionals AND in the majors, but YMMV. Just serving your ADSC for UPT is more military service than most people will ever do. If your fun meter is pegged and you need to pull the handles, so be it. But no, I think it is unlikely being in the Guard or Reserve will hurt you and it does have real advantages. Perhaps Rickair will put his two cents worth in, but the decision is yours. You are entitled to make it.
I would have to concur that if you're on the fence, it might tip the scales the wrong way. I believe it may have for me, my prospects improved after I started dropping hints about looming HYT.
#24
It doesn’t really matter except just to save you a typo on your app and maybe a uncomfortable question in a interview, but the other type rating we got with the B-707 (I was former KC135 too) was a B-720, not a 727. The 727 and the KC135 are completely different. The 727 was a 3 engine jet, T-tail, with all engines mounted in the back. You obviously know the 135. If it’s on your license, most likely a FSDO screw up, but so you know.
Again... not trying to be that guy
Again... not trying to be that guy
If it's too hard to get fixed, then it's very, very easy to have the FAA remove it (at least once they come back to work...). Losing out on the B-720 type won't hurt you at all.
Some interviews are anal... I would not want to present an FAA cert with a type that I simply did not have. The question will come up for sure.
#25
I know the OP didn't talk about thatdirectly, but what about Q3s in this environment wrt the majors? (BTW OP, a Q2 is not a Q3, it's a Q1 as far as airlines are concerned..unless we're talking about TIER ONE Delta... I keed I keed)
His times are low for a heavy guy. Being a T-38 stud in UPT is immaterial since he didn't track fighters nor attain IP quals in the -38. They look at him as a heavy guy, and those hours are low for the heavy types, good bad or indifferent. So these "imperfections" can yield a much longer stint at a regional than he's bargaining for. I know it's common to assume mil guys can write their own ticket to the majors, but that's simply facts not in evidence. I know a couple guys with clean and checkered records alike, not getting a call. Some have quit the regionals cold turkey and gone back to the reserves with tail between legs due to not being able to continue to afford the paycut nor the family crushing schedules of the regionals. Talk about having to explain that resignation at a major interview... food for thought.
I would go Guard/Reserve on a non-RPA unit and keep the applications at the majors. I think in his situation, it might be iffy merely doing token time at the regionals somehow going to facilitate a major calling. At least on the ARC side he'll get paid and have better control of his schedule vs junior @ a regional.
His times are low for a heavy guy. Being a T-38 stud in UPT is immaterial since he didn't track fighters nor attain IP quals in the -38. They look at him as a heavy guy, and those hours are low for the heavy types, good bad or indifferent. So these "imperfections" can yield a much longer stint at a regional than he's bargaining for. I know it's common to assume mil guys can write their own ticket to the majors, but that's simply facts not in evidence. I know a couple guys with clean and checkered records alike, not getting a call. Some have quit the regionals cold turkey and gone back to the reserves with tail between legs due to not being able to continue to afford the paycut nor the family crushing schedules of the regionals. Talk about having to explain that resignation at a major interview... food for thought.
I would go Guard/Reserve on a non-RPA unit and keep the applications at the majors. I think in his situation, it might be iffy merely doing token time at the regionals somehow going to facilitate a major calling. At least on the ARC side he'll get paid and have better control of his schedule vs junior @ a regional.
#27
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Everyone, just to clear up the type rating thing again, I have the B-720 along with the B-707 and B-737. When I originally said the B-727 it was a typo. I got the B-737 alongside when I got the ATP.
Rickair777, are you saying I should be cautious about considering the Guard? I know that it’s illegal for them to not hire you based on being in the Guard. But airlines are businesses, and it hurts the bottom line when people drop mil leave. I fully understand the benefits of going to the Guard and I’m actually reconsidering it based on everyone’s inputs. However, it can’t hurt for them to know they’ll never get mil leave dropped on them from me, right?
Rickair777, are you saying I should be cautious about considering the Guard? I know that it’s illegal for them to not hire you based on being in the Guard. But airlines are businesses, and it hurts the bottom line when people drop mil leave. I fully understand the benefits of going to the Guard and I’m actually reconsidering it based on everyone’s inputs. However, it can’t hurt for them to know they’ll never get mil leave dropped on them from me, right?
#28
Everyone, just to clear up the type rating thing again, I have the B-720 along with the B-707 and B-737. When I originally said the B-727 it was a typo. I got the B-737 alongside when I got the ATP.
Rickair777, are you saying I should be cautious about considering the Guard? I know that it’s illegal for them to not hire you based on being in the Guard. But airlines are businesses, and it hurts the bottom line when people drop mil leave. I fully understand the benefits of going to the Guard and I’m actually reconsidering it based on everyone’s inputs. However, it can’t hurt for them to know they’ll never get mil leave dropped on them from me, right?
Rickair777, are you saying I should be cautious about considering the Guard? I know that it’s illegal for them to not hire you based on being in the Guard. But airlines are businesses, and it hurts the bottom line when people drop mil leave. I fully understand the benefits of going to the Guard and I’m actually reconsidering it based on everyone’s inputs. However, it can’t hurt for them to know they’ll never get mil leave dropped on them from me, right?
Naturally every employer states they support USERRA and the military (publicly) and of course they prefer all military new hires are retired or former military with no future military service. It is what it is, yet daily, military reserve and guard pilots are indeed hired by the regional, majors and legacy carriers.
If you are that concerned, separate from USAF, get hired, THEN go and join a Guard/Reserve unit. You can honestly state not in the military when getting the job, get hired, then join AFTER your hired. If you then get terminated for military service, you just won a lottery ticket and DOL VETS and the Justice (DOJ) folks will jump on your case.
The airlines are not that stupid though. IF they terminate, will terminate for some other non military reason, that's the work around.
Don't lie in any application, but don't focus on future military service in an interview if already affiliating or in the Guard/Reserves. Note the questions they ask, it borders on other discrimination cases of
race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. If they focus on it during the interview, they expose themselves to a possible complaint.
My Summary: If mainline Company A wont hire, likely not because of military affiliation in today's market. Again, interviews are interviews, not exposes of detailed military service expectations. Join a unit and do what is best for you and our country. Employers hire many military folks.
Good fortunes ahead!
#29
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I think you’re right that airlines don’t care about RPA time, necessarily (not sure), but if you can get IP-qualified in RPAs without extending your ADSC it would be worthwhile. Anything that shows progression and initiative in whatever you’re doing will help separate you from others.
Of the two options, bailing from the AF, and RPAs in particular, is a much shorter route to the target than investing any additional time along that line of effort. On advice of prep and app reviews, I have carefully removed all reference or insinuation of “flight” or “sorties” or “time” or “airframe” from my applications and resume with respect to my time in RPAville. It was good, meaningful management experience, but little else. Heck, my King Air/TwOtter skydiver flying in college carries more weight on my resume than that 3yr “needs of the AF” assignment.
To the original question, yes you will get a call from regionals between two hours and two weeks from when you hit submit. Choose wisely based on domicile, if nothing else.
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