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Old 02-02-2019, 11:50 AM
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Flyguy,
Not sure how to answer the WO question. I see that flow as an incentive for a career civilian pilot more so than a military pilot. Other companies have pseudo flows (CPPs) but again, I personally was not incentivized by that. 1000hrs PIC time also doesn't seem to be a hard requirement at all the majors any longer. As close as you are to 1000hrs you would barely be off OE with a regional prior to getting up to 1000hrs plus the 100hrs recentcy with a 121 carrier.

Advice will come in all shapes and sizes, I can only identify for what worked for me. I chose a company where I wouldn't have to commute (or at least minimize the time I would have to commute), had good work rules and a solid training program. I wasn't in the market for the shiniest airplanes either as I wanted to get myself in shape for a job at the majors as soon as possible. QOL trumped all for me.

I have heard good things about Republic Sky West and Endeavor. Not as familiar with the AA WOs but I'm sure they all have their +/-s.
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Old 02-02-2019, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy17 View Post
Chris, I appreciate the helpful info. What are your thoughts on a wholly owned as a primary option for their flow as a backup? Is it even worth my time to consider the flow, or should I just go for decent QOL such as Republic or Skywest? That being said, Republic would have to improve their class wait times before I’d try going there. I’m flexible with location, but I need to upgrade to captain ASAP to minimize time at the regionals.
Your hours are way low for a quick regional stint... you’re better off going to a place with better pay and QOL. You’ll need 1000hrs to upgrade. You might as well get paid as much as an FO as others get paid as a CA at places like Endeavor or Republic while you plug away over the next several years.

All three AA WO regionals have a baseline flow of 9+ years for new hires. Outside attrition not included.
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21 View Post
Your hours are way low for a quick regional stint... you’re better off going to a place with better pay and QOL. You’ll need 1000hrs to upgrade. You might as well get paid as much as an FO as others get paid as a CA at places like Endeavor or Republic while you plug away over the next several years.

All three AA WO regionals have a baseline flow of 9+ years for new hires. Outside attrition not included.
His hours aren’t that low for a mil guy. Especially as he’s getting out in 2021, closer to peak hiring. I’d guess it’ll be a year or less at a regional.
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Old 02-02-2019, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy17 View Post
Chris, I appreciate the helpful info. What are your thoughts on a wholly owned as a primary option for their flow as a backup? .... I’m flexible with location, but I need to upgrade to captain ASAP to minimize time at the regionals.
Then go someplace that WILL ACTUALLY LET YOU GET SOME FLIGHT TIME AS A JUNIOR FO, which probably isn’t a wholly owned with flow.

Go to someplace that will fly your butt off as an FO and not have you sitting reserve for 6-9 months flying 20-30 hours a month. And no, with your current TPIC you may not even have to make CA to be picked up by a major, they may well pick you up as an FO, but only if you are actually getting some hours.

It’ll take you six months from initial job offer to get in to training in many places (so you need to lead-turn your actual applications by six months from your availability) then three months to get through training (more if we keep having sim backups) and then if you only get 20 hours a month of actual flying (even if you get paid guarantee), if you screw up the process or the airline you get hired by you could easily be sitting with only 120 SIC hours a year after you get out. Don’t be that guy.

Lead turn the application process and get in somewhere that you can start training ASAP after separation who then flies their FOs almost to the point of abuse. (Air Whiskey comes to mind).

Don’t look at it as quality time, look at it as an overseas remote where - wonder if wonders - you can actually space-A home to your CONUS family for a few days three or four times a month. Fly 80 hours a month and by the time a year is up you’ll have 750 hours and be totally competitive for a major in that time. And the year you don’t waste is worth $300K or better because of getting to the major one year quicker.
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