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HuronIP 05-04-2007 02:02 PM

IMO those that do this are only taking advantage of a law established to protect reservists and National Guard member’s jobs when they get involuntarily activated. I'm pretty sure it isn't in place to suppliment your first year income at XYZ airlines.

JustUnderPar 05-04-2007 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by HuronIP (Post 159299)
I just don't know how someone could in good faith apply for a job and accept it knowing that as soon as you get it you are going to go volunteer to go back onto active duty to make up for lost wages. I can completely understand if you involuntarily got recalled back to active duty and you didn't have a choice in the matter. This seems like a common thing for guys to do in the airline industry. I just wonder how common of a practice it is in the rest of the business world.

I dont think "volunteering to go back onto active duty" is something anyone takes without serious consideration.

What are you talking about "lost wages"?? Lost wages from what? The job you interviewed for? I dont think that is what everyone here is talking about.....

Split S 05-04-2007 06:32 PM

It's no different than anyone else who works two jobs and takes time off from one to work for the other. The airlines aren't paying the military members when they are on mil leave and the military isn't paying them when they are working for the airlines. Either way the individual is busting his hump at one of his TWO jobs to make ends meet to take care of his family. On top of that, his/her second job (military) is something productive to the nation as a whole rather than simply lining his/her's own pockets.

And yes I'm biased .... :cool:

-SS

L'il J.Seinfeld 05-05-2007 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by HuronIP (Post 160200)
IMO those that do this are only taking advantage of a law established to protect reservists and National Guard member’s jobs when they get involuntarily activated. I'm pretty sure it isn't in place to suppliment your first year income at XYZ airlines.


WIth all due respect you are wrong about the purpose of the law. The law was not written just to protect those involuntarily called to duty. It was written to allow folks to VOLUNTEER in order to maintain the highest state of readiness. The law was written by 2 USAFR JAGS whose civilian jobs were in the Dept of Labor.


I have no sense of loyalty to the company that is comparable to what military service is like. If the Guard/Reserve unit has a need, the member should have no hiccups about taking mil leave. But your company must love your sense of obligation to work for peanuts.

HuronIP 05-05-2007 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld (Post 160681)
WIth all due respect you are wrong about the purpose of the law. The law was not written just to protect those involuntarily called to duty. It was written to allow folks to VOLUNTEER in order to maintain the highest state of readiness. The law was written by 2 USAFR JAGS whose civilian jobs were in the Dept of Labor.


I have no sense of loyalty to the company that is comparable to what military service is like. If the Guard/Reserve unit has a need, the member should have no hiccups about taking mil leave. But your company must love your sense of obligation to work for peanuts.

With all due respect the people I'm referring to aren't VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness they are VOLUNTEERING to supplement their first year of income at XYZ airlines.

If they were VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness I wouldn’t have a problem with that.

HuronIP 05-05-2007 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by GasPasser (Post 157971)
Sounds like a problem brought on by the airline's themselves with their crappy 1st year pay. I know, I know, I'm preaching to the choir. :)

This is what I'm talking about.

HuronIP 05-05-2007 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by JustUnderPar (Post 160334)
I dont think "volunteering to go back onto active duty" is something anyone takes without serious consideration.

What are you talking about "lost wages"?? Lost wages from what? The job you interviewed for? I dont think that is what everyone here is talking about.....

The job I interviewed for? From your other post's it seems you are trying to decide if you want to go to work for that same company. I'm not complaining about lost wages. I can live off first year salary.

jetlaggy 05-05-2007 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by HuronIP (Post 160840)
With all due respect the people I'm referring to aren't VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness they are VOLUNTEERING to supplement their first year of income at XYZ airlines.

If they were VOLUNTEERING to maintain a high level of readiness I wouldn’t have a problem with that.

They are accomplishing both.

JustUnderPar 05-05-2007 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by HuronIP (Post 160851)
The job I interviewed for? From your other post's it seems you are trying to decide if you want to go to work for that same company. I'm not complaining about lost wages. I can live off first year salary.

Take it easy!! What I mean by saying "The job you interviewed for" is that you applied for a job at XYZ airline, knowing what the first year pay is. If you didnt want the job, with the first year pay, then you shouldn't even apply there. I think you need to apply the rule of 3's here dude....

Slice 05-05-2007 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by JustUnderPar (Post 160906)
Take it easy!! What I mean by saying "The job you interviewed for" is that you applied for a job at XYZ airline, knowing what the first year pay is. If you didnt want the job, with the first year pay, then you shouldn't even apply there. I think you need to apply the rule of 3's here dude....

I didn't hide the fact the I am ANG. If they have an issue with it we can discuss it with mgmt, me and the ESGR. Going active is far from a vacation! Huron, apparently your guard job is so easy you feel guilty mil dropping. For the rest of us busting our ass, it is what it is.


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