Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2864125)

For us, it's based on the type of order you are on. On the last few "deployments," our choice has been 12304b (invol) or 12301d (vol) orders. I have found the source document provided by our commanders/personnel during our spinup to our last trip, I'd be happy to send it to you. It clearly shows that 12304b (involuntary Combatant Command Mission Support) does not meet eligibility requirements for Post 9/11 GI Bill. In fact, wrt to TAMP, early retirement credit and GI Bill, they're treated the same as AT orders.



Lucky you. We essentially get the dubious choice of picking the red pill or blue pill. They put the carrot in front of voluntary because then it doesn't count for dwell purposes. So they get you for this deployment, but you remain eligible for later invols. Anyway, same document mentioned above, shows invol orders are not eligible for early retirement credit.

Supposedly they're "fixing" it, but the checks been in the mail for over 5 years...




In my ANG fighter squadron, there isn't a single pilot on continuous orders that are USERRA exempt. Even with an alert mission on base (O.N.E.), we have zero exempt orders. But sure stat tours at NGB and various other random assignments may get you exempt orders.

Honestly, wrt to exemption, I couldn't care less for me. I have have absolutely zero desire to go back on full time orders for anything other than squadron TDYs and our deployments. But I can see a problem looming as many of our guys are running out of USERRA time not the mention the desire to put up with all the added BS that continues to stack up. Basically, as with many other things in life, the Commanders up high, don't see it as a problem because we're "plugging the holes in the damn," for now...

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2864190)

OK, guard can certainly be different than federal reserves, but I always understood that if on federal orders, you got federal bennies. Strange.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2864190)

OK, guard can certainly be different than federal reserves, but I always understood that if on federal orders, you got federal bennies. Strange.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2863560)

Tried digging up the e-mail from our last TSP, it had the breakdown, but I can't seem to find it. There were one or two more, but below is from memory.

Invol (12304b)
- USERRA exemption
- No early retirement credit
- No TAMP
- No Post 9/11 GI Bill credit

Vol (12301d)
- No USERRA exmption
- Early retirement credit
- TAMP
- Post 9/11 GI Bill Credit

Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 2864918)

Most Stat Tours at the NGB/ANGRC were formerly USERRA Exempt up until May of 2015. Airline staff who came up in 2014 helped push that easy button, which deleted the “Exempt” and now your Stat tour began to count against the 5 year clock.

Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 2864918)

Only those who had secured “Exception To Policy” were able to continue. All sorts of small print must be read before you sign at the dotted line.

Originally Posted by gollum (Post 2865009)

the FY18 NDAA and VA have already corrected the TAMP and GI bill issues. the retirement credit is still being worked on.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2865101)

Yup, I know of at least one guy at the ANGRC who has been out of MLOA for >9 or 10 years. Some are more special than others...

Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2865288)

10 years....Jesus, at some point my old squadronmate ART has a point, and I quote: "for the best job in the world.... they sure hang out here all the time....":rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2865409)

I think that's called having your cake and eating it too.

Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2865288)

10 years....Jesus, at some point my old squadronmate ART has a point, and I quote: "for the best job in the world.... they sure hang out here all the time....":rolleyes::D