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Old 02-29-2020, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
I would recommend against getting your CFI.
Its a lot of work to get, easy to get a fail on your Initial and equally important.....it’s something you really need to want to do...teach.
You’re not doing anybody any favors sitting there not enjoying what you’re doing.
Least of all your students who shouldn’t fall victim to your circumstances.
600-750 hrs should get you in the door with plane sense which would be waaaaay more useful to you then pounding the tarmac in a Cherokee.
CFI may be the best route for him. Separation from the mil can take upwards of a year, even for something adverse like a drug test failure. I agree with you that taking the initial check ride incurs a risk but landing a 135 gig might not be possible until he's fully separated.
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Old 03-01-2020, 01:33 PM
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HouseMouse I’ve been looking at this thread for the past year. Good pay. Good hours. Sounds like your’e not far off from an SIC gig with one of these bubbas.

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Old 03-01-2020, 02:24 PM
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Need to get your total time up either through CFI or 135 flying.
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Old 03-02-2020, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
You can apply early to regionals, many will interview you and give you a CJO conditional on getting your hours. They might even give you a class date if you can project when you'll be R-ATP eligible.

I'd prioritize your top preferred regional employer(s), apply to them first and see what happens. Then go from there.

Primary considerations for a regional are geography and upgrade opportunity. If you are free to move anywhere, go for upgrade opportunity and QOL/pay.

Under the circumstances of a presumably adverse departure from the mil, you should plan on staying for a while at a regional, upgrading and acquiring some 121 PIC. If your mil situation is so adverse that you're at risk of not getting a major job, might want to consider longer-term factors in selecting a regional (size, stability, culture, etc). But there's also fractionals and ACMI, you'll have options as long as the majors are hiring, worst case that opens things up down the food chain.
I appreciate the detailed response from you and everyone else in the thread.

To follow up to your post, what kind of impact would having a general discharge from the military be on getting picked up by the majors? I’m fairly certain this won’t happen to me, but I’m definitely looking to plan for every scenario in case it does. I would have excellent references from my supervisors and commander. I’m not able to find too much information online as to how it would affect me, but it sounds like it wouldn’t be an issue with the regionals but would be a black mark in the eyes of the majors.
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Old 03-02-2020, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HouseMouse View Post
I appreciate the detailed response from you and everyone else in the thread.

To follow up to your post, what kind of impact would having a general discharge from the military be on getting picked up by the majors? I’m fairly certain this won’t happen to me, but I’m definitely looking to plan for every scenario in case it does. I would have excellent references from my supervisors and commander. I’m not able to find too much information online as to how it would affect me, but it sounds like it wouldn’t be an issue with the regionals but would be a black mark in the eyes of the majors.
It's obviously very important to receive an Honorable Discharge. Are there Lawyers specializing in "discharge upgrades"??? Is there an option to transfer to a National Guard Unit or Reserve Unit, Category E reserves or another reserve component of any branch of service? The "General Discharge under honorable conditions" is certainly not ideal but obviously better than OTH Other than honorable. When I was hired by the majors, HR definitely paid attention to my military service and character of discharge. I doubt they will overlook it but perhaps earning a subsequent honorable discharge from the Reserves or Guard would help if you can get on board even in a non flying, Enlisted or Warrant Officer capacity. You are correct in saying a "black mark". I'm even wondering if current volunteer service in the Civil Air Patrol or State Defense Forces would help??
Anyway, I believe there is a flying career out there for you just stay focused. Good Luck!
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Old 03-02-2020, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HouseMouse View Post
I appreciate the detailed response from you and everyone else in the thread.

To follow up to your post, what kind of impact would having a general discharge from the military be on getting picked up by the majors? I’m fairly certain this won’t happen to me, but I’m definitely looking to plan for every scenario in case it does. I would have excellent references from my supervisors and commander. I’m not able to find too much information online as to how it would affect me, but it sounds like it wouldn’t be an issue with the regionals but would be a black mark in the eyes of the majors.
in view of the fact a General Discharge usually requires some non-judicial punishment, why do you expect excellent recommendations from your commander? You really don’t want one.
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Old 03-02-2020, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HouseMouse View Post
I appreciate the detailed response from you and everyone else in the thread.

To follow up to your post, what kind of impact would having a general discharge from the military be on getting picked up by the majors? I’m fairly certain this won’t happen to me, but I’m definitely looking to plan for every scenario in case it does. I would have excellent references from my supervisors and commander. I’m not able to find too much information online as to how it would affect me, but it sounds like it wouldn’t be an issue with the regionals but would be a black mark in the eyes of the majors.
A general discharge under honorable conditions is ...not great.

A general discharge under less than honorable conditions would pretty much put you first in line at the majors behind everyone with a general discharge under honorable conditions but ahead of everyone with an actual dishonorable discharge.

I’m not sure that line has ever moved, actually.
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Old 03-02-2020, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
A general discharge under honorable conditions is ...not great.

A general discharge under less than honorable conditions would pretty much put you first in line at the majors behind everyone with a general discharge under honorable conditions but ahead of everyone with an actual dishonorable discharge.

I’m not sure that line has ever moved, actually.
If it does go down this path the discharge would be general under honorable discharge. I'm hoping references and an otherwise clean record can help negate this, but I'm prepared for the worst.
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Old 03-02-2020, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
in view of the fact a General Discharge usually requires some non-judicial punishment, why do you expect excellent recommendations from your commander? You really don’t want one.
Without going into too much detail the situation is out of my and my commanders hands at this point. My commander and immediate supervisor are on my side, but there's a "zero tolerance" rule in the military where regardless of if I intended to or not I ingested some illicit substance. I guess that kind if gives it away, but if you or anyone have any other questions about my situation you can PM me.
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Old 03-02-2020, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 155mm View Post
It's obviously very important to receive an Honorable Discharge. Are there Lawyers specializing in "discharge upgrades"??? Is there an option to transfer to a National Guard Unit or Reserve Unit, Category E reserves or another reserve component of any branch of service? The "General Discharge under honorable conditions" is certainly not ideal but obviously better than OTH Other than honorable. When I was hired by the majors, HR definitely paid attention to my military service and character of discharge. I doubt they will overlook it but perhaps earning a subsequent honorable discharge from the Reserves or Guard would help if you can get on board even in a non flying, Enlisted or Warrant Officer capacity. You are correct in saying a "black mark". I'm even wondering if current volunteer service in the Civil Air Patrol or State Defense Forces would help??
Anyway, I believe there is a flying career out there for you just stay focused. Good Luck!
Thanks for the input! If hoping it doesn't come to this but I want to be prepared for the worst. It sounds like the regionals or some part 135 company are options and then maybe majors later on, but I'm not counting on it. I'm sure those volunteer services would help, but I wouldn't be surprised if committing to one of the jobs I listed above would be better. In addition I would have a spotless record with excellent references and if I were to eventually get an interview I would have no issue owning up to what happened and explaining clearly what happened.

From the research I've down so far it doesn't sound likely to have a general discharge upgraded to honorable after the fact unless you claim some sort of medical/PTSD reason which does not apply to me.
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