No formation landings in UPT
#11
The best defense for keeping them in UPT as I've ever seen. If the experts, especially the lifers (not derogatory) at UPT bases see them as needed, then my all means, keep doing them. I guess my point is, they don't need to keep doing them on behalf of the CAF, because we're just not doing them anymore. No matter how much the old timers love to hold on the doing everything the way they did it, I really don't see that changing anytime soon.
#12
When we used them for the stated purpose doesn’t seem relevant. I was just pointing out that your concerns about stopping, running up, etc. aren’t valid if you use a proper formation takeoff to get max jets airborne. If it’s being done to be expeditious then it would be foolish to do a static takeoff.
#13
When we used them for the stated purpose doesn’t seem relevant. I was just pointing out that your concerns about stopping, running up, etc. aren’t valid if you use a proper formation takeoff to get max jets airborne. If it’s being done to be expeditious then it would be foolish to do a static takeoff.
#14
Funny. I guess the -100 was a "binary" AB? Either on or off and no in-between.
#15
“Kick the tire, light the fire, brief on Guard, first one on the runway is lead“
#16
AB wasn’t variable, but the basic engine was while in burner. AB light-off wasn’t always exactly when you hoped, worked 95% of the time, but an AB in the weather, it’d surprise you. Throttle response was like the Tweet, slow. “Pilot to Engine, more power, please”. “Engine to Pilot, gimme a sec”.
#17
AB wasn’t variable, but the basic engine was while in burner. AB light-off wasn’t always exactly when you hoped, worked 95% of the time, but an AB in the weather, it’d surprise you. Throttle response was like the Tweet, slow. “Pilot to Engine, more power, please”. “Engine to Pilot, gimme a sec”.
Could you be in full grunt and go to idle on the engine?
Different control for engine RPM and AB selection?
I’m obviously using F-15/ T-38 point of reference with full forward as AB, so no way to throttle back in either one of those without also throttling back on AB.
#18
So, how did that work? Variable engine RPM in burner?
Could you be in full grunt and go to idle on the engine?
Different control for engine RPM and AB selection?
I’m obviously using F-15/ T-38 point of reference with full forward as AB, so no way to throttle back in either one of those without also throttling back on AB.
Could you be in full grunt and go to idle on the engine?
Different control for engine RPM and AB selection?
I’m obviously using F-15/ T-38 point of reference with full forward as AB, so no way to throttle back in either one of those without also throttling back on AB.
I think the Thud was the same way, from stuff I’ve read.
#19
So, how did that work? Variable engine RPM in burner?
Could you be in full grunt and go to idle on the engine?
Different control for engine RPM and AB selection?
I’m obviously using F-15/ T-38 point of reference with full forward as AB, so no way to throttle back in either one of those without also throttling back on AB.
Could you be in full grunt and go to idle on the engine?
Different control for engine RPM and AB selection?
I’m obviously using F-15/ T-38 point of reference with full forward as AB, so no way to throttle back in either one of those without also throttling back on AB.
MIL and AB were both full forward, with AB being outboard.
#20
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I discussed this years ago at the duty desk. The theory was that in a Hornet, with weather below TACAN mins, all you’ve got is the PAR to get you down. If you’re NORDO, that means you’re sucking LAU down to the runway—formation landing. There simply isn’t enough time to execute flight lead sep on final if you’re breaking out at 200’ AGL. Made sense to me.
Only did it a few times. Once was a syllabus item, others were prebriefed ‘why not’ form landings.
It was fun, and a good tool for the toolbox, imo.
Only did it a few times. Once was a syllabus item, others were prebriefed ‘why not’ form landings.
It was fun, and a good tool for the toolbox, imo.
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