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Old 10-06-2020, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 View Post
Agreed. The Bone guys putting the jet in KMAF with fire warnings that didn't go out and choosing to save the life of the WSO after his seat did not fire, got DFCs out of the deal. These dudes with a midair, two engines without teeth on the same side, and full of go-juice? Putting that pig on the field upright and controlled without going kaboom probably earns them DFCs, unless they caused the collision. So far, no indications of the latter, so I'm inclined to say these guys walk away with major hardware out this deal.
Whoa, got any additional on the B-1 mishap? I’d love to know how that one went down...
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:49 PM
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Whoa, got any additional on the B-1 mishap? I’d love to know how that one went down...
Well, fortunately it didn’t
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:25 PM
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Whoa, got any additional on the B-1 mishap? I’d love to know how that one went down...
It was all over the web in 2018, but here ya go, pretty good synopsis.
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Old 10-07-2020, 12:49 PM
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I’m guessing no DFC for this one?

https://theaviationist.com/2020/10/0...lued-176m-usd/


The F-35 set and held 202 knots calibrated airspeed (KCAS) throughout the approach and landing; as a consequence, the aircraft touched down approximately 50 KCAS faster than normal, and approximately 8 degrees more shallow than desired for landing, at a 5.2 degree Angle of Attack. After landing, the pilot attempted a recovery maneuver (go-around) and remained aboard the aircraft about 5 seconds before ejecting.
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Old 10-07-2020, 04:10 PM
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Ouch.

There’s no manual throttle landing mode in the F-35, right? Autos/magic carpet only?
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Old 10-07-2020, 05:05 PM
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Ouch.

There’s no manual throttle landing mode in the F-35, right? Autos/magic carpet only?
I read that as there is some type of AT system that was engaged, but not that you couldn't manually manipulate the throttles. I can't imagine a totally automated system being allowed on the carrier for example in either the B or C models.
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Old 10-07-2020, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 View Post
Agreed. The Bone guys putting the jet in KMAF with fire warnings that didn't go out and choosing to save the life of the WSO after his seat did not fire, got DFCs out of the deal. These dudes with a midair, two engines without teeth on the same side, and full of go-juice? Putting that pig on the field upright and controlled without going kaboom probably earns them DFCs, unless they caused the collision. So far, no indications of the latter, so I'm inclined to say these guys walk away with major hardware out this deal.
It was a B Course sortie also with a student WSO and student pilot up front in the stricken jet. It was the student WSO that got stuck on the rail. Crazy situation and was a hell of a job by all involved.
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Old 10-07-2020, 08:03 PM
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It was a B Course sortie also with a student WSO and student pilot up front in the stricken jet. It was the student WSO that got stuck on the rail. Crazy situation and was a hell of a job by all involved.
Glad everybody manned up for that one.

Off hand, I can't recall once in my lengthy career where service-members abandoned their fellows in a situation like that, good to know nothing's changed.
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Old 10-08-2020, 09:50 AM
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It was a B Course sortie also with a student WSO and student pilot up front in the stricken jet. It was the student WSO that got stuck on the rail. Crazy situation and was a hell of a job by all involved.
I flew T-38s with the Aircraft Commander for 3 years; personal friend and a great guy. They got indications of a Wing Glove fire. Every other time this has happened, the jet went out of control due to fire damage. (2-3 other cases). Flight Manual says Bail Out.

Student Pilot in Right seat, student WSO back right. IP and IWSO in left seats. I think first ride for both in the jet. So, Instructors wanted to see students get out first. Student WSO pulls the handle. Hatch pops, seat goes up a few inches, and stops.

Everyone looks at each other and says WTF?!?!?

Tried pulling the handle multiple times, nothing happens.

AC makes a command decision and says we’re landing...we all make it, or all don’t.

Awesome. Well done, Hopper.

Post Script: all Bones were grounded for a one-time inspection. Apparently, a LOT of seats were misrigged and would not have worked.

That was kept quiet for obvious reasons. Took several months to get them all fixed.
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 View Post
Agreed. The Bone guys putting the jet in KMAF with fire warnings that didn't go out and choosing to save the life of the WSO after his seat did not fire, got DFCs out of the deal. These dudes with a midair, two engines without teeth on the same side, and full of go-juice? Putting that pig on the field upright and controlled without going kaboom probably earns them DFCs, unless they caused the collision. So far, no indications of the latter, so I'm inclined to say these guys walk away with major hardware out this deal.
That was some straight up deep blue hero stuff.

The darker part of that story is they found out none of their seats would have fired for the same reason the student couldn’t get out... but they didn’t know that at the time.
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