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Old 05-29-2021, 09:40 AM
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To add the publicized F18 Hud footage of UFO's, adding to the recent 60minutes interview with former Naval Aviators we now have multi-sensor radar and FLIR plots from multiple ships. This segment is from the USS Omaha. https://www.wate.com/news/radar-data...-by-ufo-swarm/

For the sake of pure argument: Why would these objects only appear to the Navy? If it is a higher intelligence drone or un-manned or un-entitied object, approaching a military vessel in international waters would 1.) Ensure that national territorial rights were not violated. 2.) Understanding that the Navy would have multiple scanning resources. 3.) Understanding that the chain of command and secrecy security would help ensure that highest authority was notified of the encounter, provide evidence of the encounter, and allow those in charge to decide how to disseminate the information to the public. 4.) An understanding of our rules of engagement that would make it unlikely that a US vessel would attack unless outwardly and clearly threatened.

OR: It's a Russian or Chinese made craft - OR: it's Fake News or it's Alt Right, Alt left, Antifa, Proud Boys, Black Lives Matter, Pravda, Peoples Daily, Jeff Bezos, BiIll Gates, or an attempt to influence the Arizona vote audit.

Discuss....???
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Old 05-29-2021, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Allegheny View Post
To add the publicized F18 Hud footage of UFO's, adding to the recent 60minutes interview with former Naval Aviators we now have multi-sensor radar and FLIR plots from multiple ships. This segment is from the USS Omaha. https://www.wate.com/news/radar-data...-by-ufo-swarm/

For the sake of pure argument: Why would these objects only appear to the Navy? If it is a higher intelligence drone or un-manned or un-entitied object, approaching a military vessel in international waters would 1.) Ensure that national territorial rights were not violated. 2.) Understanding that the Navy would have multiple scanning resources. 3.) Understanding that the chain of command and secrecy security would help ensure that highest authority was notified of the encounter, provide evidence of the encounter, and allow those in charge to decide how to disseminate the information to the public. 4.) An understanding of our rules of engagement that would make it unlikely that a US vessel would attack unless outwardly and clearly threatened.

OR: It's a Russian or Chinese made craft - OR: it's Fake News or it's Alt Right, Alt left, Antifa, Proud Boys, Black Lives Matter, Pravda, Peoples Daily, Jeff Bezos, BiIll Gates, or an attempt to influence the Arizona vote audit.

Discuss....???
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Old 05-29-2021, 10:25 AM
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Several years ago I got a call from a buddy who was sitting in his outdoor hot tub. He asked me to go outside & look up. After my eyes adjusted I could see hundreds of boomerang shaped objects high up in the sky all travelling westward. So I messaged a fellow pilot who's husband worked at ZAB at the time & asked for his intel. He reported there was nothing from the ZAB "special desk" (whatever that is) except some mil training a hundred miles or so to the NW. My wife & I watched the flight of unknowns for some time, probably 30-40 minutes until clouds obscured the night sky.

I know what we saw that night was nothing like I've ever seen before. There's been too many other credible observations of UFOs, including one by a CA I knew well & flew with on the B757. Much later, his FO was on our j/s & also gave a detailed account of that encounter which also had a momentary ATC radar return, IIRC.

I don't think it's necessarily been a coordinated plan outside of NATO member nations, but do believe various governments have all been sitting on this info.
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Old 05-29-2021, 10:38 AM
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I know the US Navy has a protocol for attempting communication on guard. I have head them when we were running up and down the East Coast. They advise the approaching aircraft that air operations are in effect. I am sure the Navy has attempted communication with these things, even only if on guard.
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Old 05-29-2021, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Electrickjet View Post
I don't think it's necessarily been a coordinated plan outside of NATO member nations, but do believe various governments have all been sitting on this info.
Understandable. It's far fetched, they have no hard data and you'd come off as a freakin' nut job (until very recently). Bad for your career, to say the least. But I agree there's probably no big conspiracy.

It's starting to look like there's more to *some* UFO sightings than observer error/optical illusion, etc. And I'm the furthest thing imaginable from the tin-foil hat crowd.

Been pondering why this is all turning up now... multi-spectrum sensor capabilities have existed as long as I've been in the mil (80's) but this stuff has been more prevalent in the last 15 years. We started using radio a lot about 100 years ago... so there's an approx 100 light-year, ever-expanding sphere in which any advanced civilization should know that we're here. So maybe they just noticed us recently? Due to radius cubed math the number of stars (and thereby potential advanced civilizations) in our broadcast sphere is increasing exponentially.

Why does the Navy notice it? Maybe because we have lots of platforms with multi-spectrum capability? Maybe like you say they avoid land or national territories? I'm 1000% certain that anybody with the technology to do those things (and possibly travel between stars) would only be observed by us if they wanted to be. The concept that somebody could have the capability to travel over interstellar distances, then crash in Roswell and be captured by the USAF is laughably ludicrous.

Starting to look unlikely that it's other nations, if they were that far ahead of us Taiwan and Hawaii would be under a Red flag with gold stars, and Gazprom would be drilling on the North Slope. Or not, since they probably wouldn't even need oil.

Sooo.... what's left? Interstellar travelers? That's so technically daunting that if you're seriously considering it you also have to seriously consider time travel and alternate dimensions. Super-luminal travel technology would be very closely related to time travel from a physics perspective.

Seems pretty unlikely that there would be advanced intelligent life native to our solar system other than us (we have the good real estate for carbon/water based bio chemistry), but from a physics perspective that may be an easier pill to swallow than hyperdrive. Although it's a big universe out there. As long as we're reaching, it's almost more rational that there's an advanced human civilization that split off from us millennia ago and has remained hidden (that would explain a lot of mythology). They could be hanging out on other planets, under the ice caps, even under the sea floor.

DoD is supposed to release a public statement next month. Not expecting answers, but rather that they'll rule some things out. I've talked to a couple flag officers about this, leadership is concerned and willing to invest resources to learn more.
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More information here: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...arships-181110

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_InterestThe National Interest (TNI) is an American bimonthly conservative international affairs magazine edited by American journalist Jacob Heilbrunn and published by the Center for the National Interest, a public policy think tank based in Washington D.C. that was established by former U.S. President Richard Nixon in 1994 as the Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom.

The magazine is associated with the realist school of foreign policy thought.[1] It was founded in 1985 by Irving Kristol and until 2001 was edited by Australian academic Owen Harries.[1]
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More information here: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...arships-181110

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_InterestThe National Interest (TNI) is an American bimonthly conservative international affairs magazine edited by American journalist Jacob Heilbrunn and published by the Center for the National Interest, a public policy think tank based in Washington D.C. that was established by former U.S. President Richard Nixon in 1994 as the Nixon Center for Peace and Freedom.

The magazine is associated with the realist school of foreign policy thought.[1] It was founded in 1985 by Irving Kristol and until 2001 was edited by Australian academic Owen Harries.[1]
There are certainly a variety of drones being used for intel purposes (the US has had a few stealth units turn up in odd places). Whether a UFO is likely or possibly an intel drone can be assessed by it's location, behavior, and performance. The ones described in the article sound like drones to me, not COTS technology but rather bleeding edge military tech. They're not doing anything that can't be explained by known science and tech. A peer competitor could launch such things from a sub, or more likely a merchant, AGI, or even from shore in the US (not like we don't have RF and PRC agents here at home ). Nothing to see here, if you're looking for ET.

There have been other objects which have been tracked and documented with performance not readily explainable by the current state of the art. Those are the ones that have folks really scratching their head.
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Old 05-29-2021, 02:08 PM
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71% of the Earth’s surface is water. No reason to believe that only terrestrial creatures will ever become intelligent. For as short-lived as they are, octopi are spooky smart. And that’s just on Earth. The definition of the ‘Goldilocks zone’ for planets likely to have life is that they will have liquid water..
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A question for those in the know about more advanced military capabilities. Wouldn't an AEGIS class frigate or destroyer have extensive electronic sensing and monitoring capabilities? I toured an Aegis Class Destroyer, DDG-53, John Paul Jones, on an overnight in San Diego.

The Electronic Warfare stations were of course off-limits to civilians, but the technology was impressive and constantly upgrade-able according to our guide. Wouldn't a ship be able to quickly determine if a drone is being controlled via a complete spectrum sweep of RF energy. You might not be able to decode packet burst frequency hopping signals, but you can tell if they are present.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
71% of the Earth’s surface is water. No reason to believe that only terrestrial creatures will ever become intelligent. For as short-lived as they are, octopi are spooky smart. And that’s just on Earth. The definition of the ‘Goldilocks zone’ for planets likely to have life is that they will have liquid water..
Water cannot be said to be absolutely essential for life. But we focus on that for one good reason: we know it works, and we know what to look for.
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