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Old 08-01-2021, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns View Post
I never did SOS in residence or by correspondence. Best decision I ever made. I threw out two sets of SOS correspondence books, absolute garbage.

PME is a mindsucking blackhole, bigger than the Internet.
For the most part I agree, but the JCWS-H was pretty useful, if you care about combatant commander planning, and stuff. Holy smokes, logistics!
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Old 08-29-2021, 10:30 AM
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This is why blowing off PME sounds great, but is usually long term stupid. Don’t fight the system, you will lose.
This. Not sure of the fancy AF acronyms but if you're Navy/MC/CG, just do the NWC fleet seminar program and get JPME-1 over with. You don't need it for O-4 but war college correspondence courses are a huge help beyond that, and especially for O-6. As far as the master's degree, unless you absolutely hate learning, using either TA or an actual paid billet/tour to get a FREE master's degree is a great thing. No one is making you get it in a specific field; you can get a master's degree in 'liberal studies' (seriously) and it counts when you're in zone. Do you know how lucky we are to have this option, and how many civilian pilots would like to have it? Use your benefits when you're in. It's good for your mil career and it will help you in the long run as a civilian.
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Old 08-29-2021, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns View Post
I never did SOS in residence or by correspondence. Best decision I ever made. I threw out two sets of SOS correspondence books, absolute garbage.

PME is a mindsucking blackhole, bigger than the Internet.
Totally unrelated to the thread, when was the last time you were at emersonbiguns, emersonbiguns? I had some good times there at the start of my career, even got thrown out one night before talking my way back in.
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Old 08-30-2021, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by paulcg77 View Post
Do you know how lucky we are to have this option, and how many civilian pilots would like to have it?
Not many, if any at all actually. I know this is something we tell ourselves to get over the motivational hump, or a bedtime story that leadership tells fencesitters to get them moving, but in this case, common sense really is reality.
In the civilian world, other than pathological academic types, pursuing an advanced degree starts with “what for?”, and if the benefit justifies the cost (management, diversify skills for lost medical, starting a business, etc). Then they just pony up and get it because it makes sense. Believe me, I get it, I was where you are and strangely it made sense at the time.
This all coming from a passed over retired 04, so yeah, younger folks, I do recommend to go get your AAD and get promoted! 😏
But you don’t have to drink the blue kool aid fairy tales.

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Old 08-30-2021, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BFMthisA10 View Post
Not many, if any at all actually. I know this is something we tell ourselves to get over the motivational hump, or a bedtime story that leadership tells fencesitters to get them moving, but in this case, common sense really is reality.
In the civilian world, other than pathological academic types, pursuing an advanced degree starts with “what for?”, and if the benefit justifies the cost (management, diversify skills for lost medical, starting a business, etc). Then they just pony up and get it because it makes sense. Believe me, I get it, I was where you are and strangely it made sense at the time.
This all coming from a passed over retired 04, so yeah, younger folks, I do recommend to go get your AAD and get promoted! 😏
But you don’t have to drink the blue kool aid fairy tales.
A masters will get you extra credit on app scoring with most majors (all of the best ones). It will also help you get a white collar job if you ever need one, and will typically get you paid more. It will almost always increase your pay in the GS.

Masters is kind of the new bachelors.

If Uncle is paying, just do it FFS.
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Old 08-30-2021, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BFMthisA10 View Post
Not many, if any at all actually. I know this is something we tell ourselves to get over the motivational hump, or a bedtime story that leadership tells fencesitters to get them moving, but in this case, common sense really is reality.
In the civilian world, other than pathological academic types, pursuing an advanced degree starts with “what for?”, and if the benefit justifies the cost (management, diversify skills for lost medical, starting a business, etc). Then they just pony up and get it because it makes sense. Believe me, I get it, I was where you are and strangely it made sense at the time.
This all coming from a passed over retired 04, so yeah, younger folks, I do recommend to go get your AAD and get promoted! 😏
But you don’t have to drink the blue kool aid fairy tales.
I mean, I agree with rickair, but I guess it also depends on what you use the TA/paid educational billet for. I got a free MBA from a top 10 school. My wife, also active duty, got her master's in nursing and became a nurse anesthetist, which is something you can only do with a master's in nursing or a doctorate. We're both significantly more employable in the civilian world now and if I ever do get out of aviation for whatever reason (read: medical, furlough, etc), that MBA is going to be more than a "what for". And not because of the piece of paper it's on, but because of the alumni networking/job opportunities that I wouldn't otherwise have. An MBA itself is nothing special but simply having a career/jobs office that goes out of its way to connect alumni/grads with good jobs is huge. Pretty sure most civilian pilots would appreciate this opportunity to have a free degree without a mountain of debt if/when the 121 music stops, so yeah, if you're military, don't take this for granted.
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Old 08-30-2021, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by paulcg77 View Post
I mean, I agree with rickair, but I guess it also depends on what you use the TA/paid educational billet for. I got a free MBA from a top 10 school. My wife, also active duty, got her master's in nursing and became a nurse anesthetist, which is something you can only do with a master's in nursing or a doctorate. We're both significantly more employable in the civilian world now and if I ever do get out of aviation for whatever reason (read: medical, furlough, etc), that MBA is going to be more than a "what for". And not because of the piece of paper it's on, but because of the alumni networking/job opportunities that I wouldn't otherwise have. An MBA itself is nothing special but simply having a career/jobs office that goes out of its way to connect alumni/grads with good jobs is huge. Pretty sure most civilian pilots would appreciate this opportunity to have a free degree without a mountain of debt if/when the 121 music stops, so yeah, if you're military, don't take this for granted.
Just to add on to this for any AD/SELRES on here who are JO's or maybe O4's/O5's considering either TA, VA Chapter 33 (Post 9/11 GI Bill) or a paid educational billet, here's two Top-10 business degrees that can be completed part time for free under these benefits:

University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) Executive MBA
- You do it every other weekend, in person, at campuses in either Philadelphia or San Francisco. ONLY on weekends, two weekends per month, for two years. This works extremely well if you're on a shore tour in DC (easy weekend train ride to Philly) or at Lemoore (beat the heat/smog on an easy drive up I-5 to SF for the weekend). Also do-able from Norfolk or San Diego but with obviously longer drives/commutes. For my Air Force brothers, if you're at any of the mid-Atlantic bases or at Travis AFB, this is an easy commute.
https://executivemba.wharton.upenn.e...ogram-details/

Harvard University Extension School MLA in Management
- Totally self-paced and almost entirely online so it can be done from just about anywhere. It doesn't have the prestige of Harvard Business School but all of your professors are HBS/HKS faculty, your degree says "Harvard" on it, you join the Harvard Alumni Association, and you get all of the HBS/Harvard alumni networking and job office opportunities. Extremely good deal for the price.
https://extension.harvard.edu/academ...duate-program/


So there you go. Two ivy league business/management degrees you can do with your military benefits that don't even require you to be a full time student and can be completed either anywhere or from some large bases. When you get out, having one of these and the recruiting abilities of an ivy league alumni job office is going to sound real good when the next furlough comes.
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Old 10-07-2021, 04:31 AM
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I have a buddy that might get booted because of this vaccine stuff.

He is at 650hrs (fighter time), I recommended he go to a regional if he gets booted. Obliviously he needs 750 for the RATP.

Question: I understand you need 750 at time of the checkride. I heard sim time towards the type rating for a regional can count. How much if that time will count?


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Old 10-07-2021, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TIGER573 View Post
I have a buddy that might get booted because of this vaccine stuff.

He is at 650hrs (fighter time), I recommended he go to a regional if he gets booted. Obliviously he needs 750 for the RATP.

Question: I understand you need 750 at time of the checkride. I heard sim time towards the type rating for a regional can count. How much if that time will count?
FAR 61.159 & 61.160, should probably read it. Especially 61.159(a)

It matters what type of time we're talking about. Also airlines are not 142 training centers, so that allowance is N/A.

Also depends on the regional, I think most were allowing 25 hours towards class time (ME) and also towards total time. You'd have to look at their specific web sites.

But .gov mandated vaccination for pretty much all airline employees... does he think regionals will be exempt from that? Even if he gets on with a regional, what's the end-game? 100% of majors will require vaccination for new-hires (even if one or two don't mandate it for old hires). So regional lifer? Maybe someday if covid dwindles to nothing they'll relax vaccine requirements for new-hires but that will be the last to go.
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Old 10-07-2021, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TIGER573 View Post
I have a buddy that might get booted because of this vaccine stuff.

He is at 650hrs (fighter time), I recommended he go to a regional if he gets booted. Obliviously he needs 750 for the RATP.

Question: I understand you need 750 at time of the checkride. I heard sim time towards the type rating for a regional can count. How much if that time will count?


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Unless your buddy wants to leave aviation completely and avoid working for any company with more than 100 employees he won’t be able to avoid the OSHA rules. Unfortunately, big brother isn’t feeling very tolerant.
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