So let me get this right…
08-18-2021, 03:37 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
None of the politicos or dumb**** generals (or the lifer officers who also enabled it) will likely ever face charges from any of their stupidity/ignorance though.
08-18-2021, 05:55 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
As soon as I saw the video, I knew the USAF would hang these kids out to dry. I've even considered organizing a GoFundMe campaign for their defense because they're going to need it.
08-18-2021, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Like jaxsurf said, save it until they charge somebody because I really don't think they will.
The camel's nose was under the tent years ago when every engagement was followed by a 15-6 investigation. Imagine Dick Winters' boys dealing with a legal debriefing each and every engagement that they pulled the trigger. Absolute BS. You either back your men and women on the front line or you don't. It is damn well clear what the answer is.
08-19-2021, 06:12 AM
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Another attempt to transform an alien universe into OH fails. Blood & treasure spent over 20 years, 4 admins. Good must come from this but how much given the look back? 20 years ahead we may start to know. War is like that. Clear the crew quickly. Pin ribbons, sign leaves with rank bumps all around. "Because its judgement that defeats us." https://youtu.be/COZPAa817xY
08-19-2021, 07:37 AM
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^^^
That. Because once some higher up decides to burnish his ‘woke’ Credentials and piously laments that ‘they wouldn’t have done that if it had been a crowd of Americans surrounding the aircraft’ these people are screwed. Careerwise if not actually criminally charged.
That. Because once some higher up decides to burnish his ‘woke’ Credentials and piously laments that ‘they wouldn’t have done that if it had been a crowd of Americans surrounding the aircraft’ these people are screwed. Careerwise if not actually criminally charged.
08-19-2021, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
^^^
That. Because once some higher up decides to burnish his ‘woke’ Credentials and piously laments that ‘they wouldn’t have done that if it had been a crowd of Americans surrounding the aircraft’ these people are screwed. Careerwise if not actually criminally charged.
That. Because once some higher up decides to burnish his ‘woke’ Credentials and piously laments that ‘they wouldn’t have done that if it had been a crowd of Americans surrounding the aircraft’ these people are screwed. Careerwise if not actually criminally charged.
08-19-2021, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It's not like they ran over people, the people were following and trying to enter the aircraft. The crew had no way of knowing that anyone had climbed onto the exterior, or in the wheel-well.
08-19-2021, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbit64
Or, put out the statement: "We spend years assessing and training our service members while continuously holding them to high standards and fully expect that they continued to perform in a manner befitting the high trust we place in them daily. Combat operations are difficult, dynamic and often heart breaking. We know they made every effort in seeking the best possible outcome given an horrific situation."
The camel's nose was under the tent years ago when every engagement was followed by a 15-6 investigation. Imagine Dick Winters' boys dealing with a legal debriefing each and every engagement that they pulled the trigger. Absolute BS. You either back your men and women on the front line or you don't. It is damn well clear what the answer is.
The camel's nose was under the tent years ago when every engagement was followed by a 15-6 investigation. Imagine Dick Winters' boys dealing with a legal debriefing each and every engagement that they pulled the trigger. Absolute BS. You either back your men and women on the front line or you don't. It is damn well clear what the answer is.
08-19-2021, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream
My commander was mortified by the idea we might have to engage. He wouldn’t let us hang hellfire on the birds because it increased the likelihood of us being allowed to shoot.
08-19-2021, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream
My commander was mortified by the idea we might have to engage. He wouldn’t let us hang hellfire on the birds because it increased the likelihood of us being allowed to shoot.
Originally Posted by Hobbit64
Sad, but totally believable in my experience.
