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Old 10-21-2021, 09:16 PM
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Which is sort of typical if you look at the age group demographics of COVID mortality. There are - unfortunately - a fair number of (mostly) elderly people who because of medical conditions are at risk for ANYTHING that comes along. Even a simple cold is going to destabilize their condition. And as I said on my not-altogether-clear initial comment on this thread, even appropriately treated the median survival of an 80+ year old diagnosed with multiple myeloma is only 21.4 months. General Powell was diagnosed in 2019 and we are now about two years past that. Maybe COVID gave him the final push, but at this point it wouldn’t have taken much.
Fair enough. Not to be morbid, but factually, anyone who is 84 is lucky to be alive in general. The US life expectancy is now at 77.3 years, and for black men, it's 71.8 years. (source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...dc-2021-07-21/). I hope I live until 84 but the odds are strongly against it. As my 85 year old grandmother says, "after 80, you're living on borrowed time"...
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Old 10-22-2021, 06:47 AM
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Fair enough. Not to be morbid, but factually, anyone who is 84 is lucky to be alive in general. The US life expectancy is now at 77.3 years, and for black men, it's 71.8 years. (source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...dc-2021-07-21/). I hope I live until 84 but the odds are strongly against it. As my 85 year old grandmother says, "after 80, you're living on borrowed time"...
Demographics which include airline pilots and senior military officers probably beat the average due to education, self-discipline, and health care availability.

Also the life expectancy numbers are an average, which includes everything factors such as mortality and youthful misadventure... if you make it to age 50 in good health, your odds are different than when you were a newborn.

People like to talk about life expectancy being 40-ish a couple centuries ago, but again it was common for people to live into their 70's and 80's... if they survived infancy and youth, and didn't drink too much in middle age. There was actually a good reason for prohibition.
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Old 10-22-2021, 09:18 AM
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Demographics which include airline pilots and senior military officers probably beat the average due to education, self-discipline, and health care availability.

Also the life expectancy numbers are an average, which includes everything factors such as mortality and youthful misadventure... if you make it to age 50 in good health, your odds are different than when you were a newborn.

People like to talk about life expectancy being 40-ish a couple centuries ago, but again it was common for people to live into their 70's and 80's... if they survived infancy and youth, and didn't drink too much in middle age. There was actually a good reason for prohibition.
All true, at least for people at large, but median survival of 84+ year olds properly treated for multiple myeloma seems to be pretty much independent of occupational or veteran status. The General was diagnosed with multiple myeloma over two years ago. That’s above the median survival treated in even the best oncology service.

The median overall survival of the very elderly patients was 22.2 months, which was significantly shorter than that of younger groups (75- to 84-year olds: 30.3 months; 65- to 74-year olds: 63.6 months; <65 years: not reached). No difference in survival between men and women was observed. The early mortality rate was significantly higher in the advanced age cohort: 11.3% at 2 months and 17.3% at 6 months. The comparative 6-month mortality rate was 10.1% in the 75- to 84-year old group, 5.9% in the 65- to 74-year old group and 6.7% in the <65-year olds (log-rank P<10−4, Online Supplementary Figure S6).
The median overall survival of the very elderly patients was 22.2 months, which was significantly shorter than that of younger groups (75- to 84-year olds: 30.3 months; 65- to 74-year olds: 63.6 months; <65 years: not reached). No difference in survival between men and women was observed. The early mortality rate was significantly higher in the advanced age cohort: 11.3% at 2 months and 17.3% at 6 months. The comparative 6-month mortality rate was 10.1% in the 75- to 84-year old group, 5.9% in the 65- to 74-year old group and 6.7% in the <65-year olds (log-rank P<10−4, Online Supplementary Figure S6).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5777212/
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General Powell's long-term health odds were probably not enhanced by multipe tours in 'Nam.
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