Discrepancies between milked and FHR
03-18-2023, 06:28 PM
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Discrepancies between milked and FHR
I recently uploaded my AAMS into milkeeep and set up what should be my starting totals. However, there seems to be a discrepancy between my total time that I calculate and the ones my FHR has. I'm not sure what I'm missing, has anyone experienced something similar/know what the fix is? The Air Force shows about 140 hours more than milkeep across my 4 aircraft.
03-18-2023, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gingerbread89
I recently uploaded my AAMS into milkeeep and set up what should be my starting totals. However, there seems to be a discrepancy between my total time that I calculate and the ones my FHR has. I'm not sure what I'm missing, has anyone experienced something similar/know what the fix is? The Air Force shows about 140 hours more than milkeep across my 4 aircraft.
03-19-2023, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
You’re probably better off going over your flight records/logbooks line by line, entry by entry, to find the errors.
03-20-2023, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gingerbread89
I ended up finding the issue after a ton of time and math last night, looks like they're counting several of my sim totals along with my actual flight hours. For anyone thinking about tracking your own stuff, DO IT. Several MDS's and failure to check my records to find ARMS errors later, I wish I had tracked my own stuff from the beginning!
On the subject of annual ARMS record reviews, it is a good idea to check for big, glaring errors (it does happen).
03-24-2023, 06:19 AM
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I agree with both the posts above - I too had some sim time that got counted toward primary flight time due to the sim certification getting upgraded to allow for that. Did the math to understand the discrepancy, but just reported and showed what my flight records indicated. Was prepared to discuss the math on the matter if it came up, which it never did. Everyone had inconsistencies in their logbooks. Just know what they are and be able to logically talk to them. It’s all part of the drill in the interview to see that you’re honest and trustworthy… you wouldn’t have even made it to that point of answering those questions if they hadn’t already decided you are qualified.
03-28-2023, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
Why? No airline is going to argue with the military over your flight time totals. If you are on the ragged edge of being legal for an unrestricted ATP, it may be worth verifying the record’s accuracy. Otherwise you are just making busy work for yourself. Airline HR departments trust the military flight records more than your records. You can bring your very pretty and organized records with you to the interview, but they would still rather see the actual military records.
On the subject of annual ARMS record reviews, it is a good idea to check for big, glaring errors (it does happen).
On the subject of annual ARMS record reviews, it is a good idea to check for big, glaring errors (it does happen).
Just remember, not all the military does it the USAF way for the non-USAF people reading this.
03-28-2023, 09:32 AM
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Math is hard
I have seen numerous errors between FHR and my own records. I did my best to ID the discrepancies and have details that supported my times. HARM didn't print 3 months of each flight for me, and I didn't do a good job logging my flights so that became an issue when I tried to build my own logbook. I know it can be important to have your own logbook so you can delineate PIC time as that's necessary for the apps. It's a tedious task that even "milked" might not be able to solve with its coding.
03-28-2023, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
*LAUGHS IN NAVY FLIGHT RECORDS*
Just remember, not all the military does it the USAF way for the non-USAF people reading this.
Just remember, not all the military does it the USAF way for the non-USAF people reading this.
However, did anyone challenge your painstakingly maintained hand written logbooks? The transition from mil to airline is hard enough without paying a company to provide you a completely superfluous product. Spend the money on interview prep instead.
03-29-2023, 10:35 AM
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Interviews are an attention to detail and give a **** test. Military time is pretty hard to fake, so it's credible. But if you stroll in with an attitude of "Yeah I'm off by 300 hours, I'm not sure what happened nor do I really care" that is going to stand out in a negative way. If you come in with hours that line up 98% of the time, you can speak to the hours and the discrepancies and have a reasonable explanation about how terrible the record keeping process is, you're gonna fend off any uncomfortable questions in a clear, convincing manner.
03-29-2023, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
Interviews are an attention to detail and give a **** test. Military time is pretty hard to fake, so it's credible. But if you stroll in with an attitude of "Yeah I'm off by 300 hours, I'm not sure what happened nor do I really care" that is going to stand out in a negative way. If you come in with hours that line up 98% of the time, you can speak to the hours and the discrepancies and have a reasonable explanation about how terrible the record keeping process is, you're gonna fend off any uncomfortable questions in a clear, convincing manner.
